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Old September 1st, 2009  
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If the fish catch a disease, would you have to do a complete water change?

Hi folks, first post, and sorry if it's too long. I guess I'll just highlight my main questions in blue.

If my fish have disease, and then was transferred into a different tank... (or dare I say, thrown out), will the water and biofilter be contaminated in the original tank due to residues from the fish? Would I have to start over by running untreated tap water through the system water loop (hoping the chlorine will purge everything)? Is there a type of procedure we can do to identify whether the water is disease free?


Why am I asking this question?

I did not quarantine the first three goldfish I introduced into my newly set up aquarium - apparently someone on a different forum mentioned that a lot of fish bought from the pet store are a ticking time bomb for diseases. So this got me all paranoid and I decided to remove 2 of the 3 fish out of my main tank and put them in my parent's smaller tank which had 1 smaller goldfish. As a fact, my parent's 2 gal fish bowl is poorly taken cared off, so I do not want to bring these 2 goldfish back into my aquarium due to the existence of possible of diseases from the parent's tanks transferring over into my newly assembled aqarium. Yep... I think this was a bad idea and most definitely cruel - maybe I should of instantly killed the goldfish instead so they don't suffer in the parent's fish bowl? I should of just kept all my fish in my original tank, however my impulsive action due to my paranoia about "ticking time bomb disease" goldfish got me all paranoid.

You can see how stupid and irrational this mistake was as I "removed 2 out of 3 fish". A pointless action as I still decided to leave one fish which still wasn't quarantined, and now my ammonia production to start the cycling process is reduced unless I replace the 2 goldfish. I am paranoid about bringing back the two goldfish from my parent's tank as there is another goldfish in there that had been swimming in 4.0 or even 8.0 PPM of ammonia (it was hard to tell by the test) so lord knows what kind of diseases/parasites are in the parent's aquarium. Holy , I can't believe that tiny goldfish in there is still swimming around after a few days... I did like a 400% (four-hundred) water change in that tiny tank and the test for ammonia was still around 1.0 ppm.

Furthermore, to relieve my paranoia, I am thinking of removing the final goldfish in my aquarium and then doing a system flush; a.k.a. starting from scratch. I'm thinking of adding untreated tap water and running my system so the chlorine in the untreated tap water will kill off the possibly existing disease causing organisms in the aquarium and filters. Is this necessary?


My refusal to do fishless cycling in the first place:

What shy'd me away from fishless cycling was the process of getting my hands on the right type of ammonia. I was also not fond of using my own urine to start the cycling.

3 days after putting the new goldfish in my tank, I changed my mind. I decided I wanted to do a fishless cycle. This was a really dumb move on my part. But I guess the motive was that I did not want the fish to rot in the built-up high levels of ammonia while trying to increase the nitrifying bacteria population. Reason being, I am paranoid that if the fish break out a disease, then my system's water will also become contaminated which may also infect my newly introduced fish after the cycling is complete. So if the fish do catch a disease during the cycling process, assuming they don't die, wouldn't I have to start over and purge my system from the disease causing bacteria?

So today, I checked my local LOWE's and browsed the cleaning supplies section, and of course... I did not find the right ammonia. In fact, I couldn't find a product which even contained ammonia. I will be visiting wall-mart tomorrow, and if no luck there, home depot.

If I still can't find the right ammonia, then I've just caused myself unnecessary problems and I'll just have to replace the two goldfish. Too quick an action removing 2 of the 3 goldfish.
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Old September 1st, 2009  
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welcome to fishlore!!!!!!!

to answer your first question, it depends on what "disease" your fish had?
Using your own urine is an old school way and theres much more easier ways to do the cycle now....just because a fish has been exposed to ammonia, does NOT mean it has a disease or has to be "killed" ...if you saw no signs of disease , dont assume there is one...ammonia poisioning is cureable with daily partial water changes and some type of ammonia detoxifier like prime or ammo lock....

do you know the exact readings on your tank? seeing how you have fish, you are going to need to do a fish cycle and do the above changes and provided your tank is proper size for the goldies, you can do the fishless cycle with sucess and minimal harm to them provided you do daily changes with a detoxifier...or you can give the goldies back to your LFS and just use a piece of raw shrimp in a net for your ammonia source....
....what size is your tank?
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Old September 1st, 2009  
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Hi, the tank is 30 gals but has only roughly 27 gals in it.

The first time I introduced the fish I used 75 mL of "Cycle", and then the bottle's instructions were 30 mL each day for the next 2 days for my sized tank; a bit more than I needed.

Aug. 30th:

pH: 7.8
Ammonia: Somewhere between 0 and 0.25; my API's test was hard to tell.
nitrite: 0
nitrate: 5


Aug. 30th

The same...

Aug. 31st:

All the same, maybe 0 ammonia but again, it was probably the same as before. My eyes plays tricks on me when I gotta compare colours and pick the closest match.
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Old September 1st, 2009  
Fish Master
 
those colors mess with my eyes also ...
cycle doesnt contain the proper bacteria needed to self sustain the cycle process and will eat up the good bacteria...you have to add cycle for the life of the tank to get it to sustain itself......the only one so far with results that seem to work is tetra safestart...so at this point, id stop using cycle and find some prime or ammo lock and just do daily 30% water changes with one of those...that will detox the ammonia/nitrites for 24 hours until your next water change but make it available to continue on with the cycle process(if you keep the goldies) ...or you can do the shrimp add/wait method....its going to take a few weeks either way unless you can get some tetra safestart.. if you can, I would do a 50% water change with your tap conditioner..then wait 24-36 hours after using all products(to let the cycle and water conditioner run its course) , add the TSS and wait 7 days of doing nothing......it should cycle the tank in that time...if it doesnt, then you continue with the daily water changes from that point..your ph is high enough for the TSS to wait and to also make the ammonia lethal so one or the other is going to have to happen to save the goldies ...
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Old September 1st, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Agree with Shawnie
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Old September 1st, 2009  
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Agree with Matt6765
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Old September 1st, 2009  
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Hi welcome to Fish Lore
Whew, that was some first post.

I'll 3rd Shawnie's good advice, not much to add there.
Are planning on keeping the goldies after the cycle is complete?
If not it would probably be a good idea to return them now and go fishless using the shrimp method Shawnie recommended.

Good luck!
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Old September 2nd, 2009  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy View Post

Are planning on keeping the goldies after the cycle is complete?
If not it would probably be a good idea to return them now and go fishless using the shrimp method Shawnie recommended.
No I do not plan on keeping the goldfish. The whole disease thing makes me all paranoid due to the stress from cycling. I'll see what I can do to go abouts returning the goldfish. I doubt I can they are probably in really poor condition, and I overfed them One of the fishes had a trailing line behind it...

Quote:
Good luck!
Thxs, I'll need it!! What a crappy start for me.
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Old September 2nd, 2009  
Moderator
 
Hello Confuzedd. Many of us have been where you are starting out and not knowing what to do. We all learn something new every day.

Gold fish are huge waste producers and the "trail behind it" is normal. Nothing to worry about there

You've been given great information above.

Welcome to Fish Lore and enjoy the site
Ken
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Old September 2nd, 2009  
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Originally Posted by Confuzedd View Post
What a crappy start for me.
Hey, you're not alone there. Many of us started out on the wrong foot.
Keep reading and researching, you're getting some good info from the forum.
Hang in there.
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Old September 3rd, 2009  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
Ehh, okay I decided to bring them back into my original "fish tank". It's actually an aquaponic system minus the "fish farming"/aquaculture part.

I noticed some behaviour, I posted it in the goldfish section.
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