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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Is my fish sick?

Ive been looking at my male guppy and for a day or two now he has been keeping to the surface of the water, ive just been in to see him and his tail is all droopy, its like his backend is sinking and hes tryign to stay afloat. is there anything wrong with him? And anything i can do to help him?

Ive just done a video of him and uploaded him to youtube waiting for it to be processed will link when i can


Last edited by kaystar; July 29th, 2009 at 03:33 PM.
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Old July 29th, 2009  
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I'm sorry your guppy isn't feeling well. His tail does looked clamped and he seems to be struggling
Are they still in the 6.6?
Do you know the readings for ammonia nitrite and nitrate?
It would help if we knew the readings.
If your parameters are ok (0 ammonia, 0 nitrite with 5 to 10 nitrates) It would probably be a good idea to move him to a quarantine tank so they others gups don't pick on him.

Personally, I think 3 guppies need a larger tank than 6.6. They're pretty active little fish that can get aggressive with one another.
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Old July 29th, 2009  
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At the least, it looks like your guppy is stressed. The fins are being help close to the body, or "clamped", indicating stress. It also looks like he has some fin rot, which is the whitish edge on his tail.

Is this tank cycled? What are the water parameters?
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Just done a Tetra Test 6 in 1 and results are

NO3 = 10
NO2 = 0
GH = 8
KH = 6-10
pH = 6-8
CL2 = 0

We used Tetra Safestart when we out in the fish.
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Old July 29th, 2009  
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I don't really trust the readings from strips....do you have an ammonia test?
Do you have a q tank you can put him in? Fish will pick on a weaker fish and I'd hate to see that happen.

Last edited by Lucy; July 29th, 2009 at 04:40 PM.
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
I dont have an ammonia test no but i will pick one up tomorrow. I dont have a smaller tank no I dont think hes being picked on he was really active when we got him and got on with the other two fish fine
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Ive done another video of him, the other one he was more active as the others came to see what i was doing One of the other fish did spook him at the end thats why he swam quite fast then. Oh and sorry about the tv in the background

Will edit with video when its finished uploading on youtube


Last edited by kaystar; July 29th, 2009 at 04:58 PM.
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
Hi Kay
I do hope that your guppy gets better.
I had a guppy who went droopy a few weeks ago, and was OK but not himself for a few weeks. The medicine we put in didn't make too much difference, and then yesterday he dropped to the bottom of the tank. Tonight the mollies started to peck at him so we had to put him out of his misery. Hope we did the right thing. Fish are so small that I think once old or poorly they can't often get better. Also - you don't know how old they are when you get them, I think mine had just reached his end, he was my alpha male while I had him.
Let me know how you get on - I do want to keep my other guppies as long as possible!!
Faith
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
We only got him from the pet shop the other week, i hope its not old age i want him to get better, what medicine did you use?
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
I got Interpet's anti internal bacteria, fish health treatment. On the side of the pack it says "for loss of appetite, listlessness, darkening of colour" and all that seemed to apply. He had no white spots, or rot type symptoms and had been really happy for a few months.
To be honest - I didn't know what else to get as there wasn't anything specific wrong with him, he just stopped swimming straight, and went droopy, lost his bright purple colour and let his tail flop.
I got that brand as my local shop is maidenhead aquatics and that seemed the brand they stocked. It's all guesswork.
Hope that helps.
Faith
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Thanks for all the help i will get some medicine and ammonia test tomorrow on way home from work, i hoep they do them at pets at home
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
good luck!!
Keep me posted
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Old July 29th, 2009  
Moderator
 
I'm not real sure medicating a fish is a good idea if you don't know whats wrong with it.
Listlessness and loss of appetite can be a symptom of a few things, ammonia in the water, parasites to name a few.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Do you think this http://www.petsathome.com/find/categ...roduct-is-7608 might help him?
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
As Lucy said, you shouldn't ever medicate a fish unless you don't know what's wrong exactly. Using anti-bacterial treatments can sometimes make bacteria more resistant the more you use it, so I'd only ever use it in extreme circumstances when you know the diagnosis of what's wrong with the fish.

Fin clamping is often a sign of poor water conditions. Ammonia can be a large cause in this, however, internal parasites, bullying from other fish and various other problems.

How much TSS did you add to the tank?
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Ok, just did an ammonia test and it was between 2 and 3. how do i get it to 0??
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Moderator
 
Ooooh, ammonia that high is pretty toxic to your fish. I'd recommend doing some 30-40% water changes ASAP and adding Prime to detoxify the ammonia until it comes down to 0. If you continue the water changes, it will make the water safer for your fish until it completes the cycle.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
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Oh, no wonder he's acting that way, that level is very toxic.
You'll need to start doing daily water changes to get the ammonia down.
Since the reading is so high I'd suggest 50% now and 50% tonight.
Tomorrow start 50% once a day. Use Prime as your water conditioner. That'll detox the ammonia for 24 hours between water changes.
Keep doing daily changes until your readings are 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites with 5-10 nitrates.

You're using strips?
It would be a good idea to invest in a good liquid kit like the API master kit.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
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Aw, thats the cutest guppy ever! About the fish, I think he's fine, But you should keep an eye on him, i guess he seems a little lethargic, but you may wanna turn the tempreture down..
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Just done a 40/45% water change done have any Prime though i will pick some up tomorrow on way to work and come home in my lunch and put some in, can i get it from a local pet shop (pets at home)?

Oh just curious why the other 2 fish dont seem to be affected? Is there a reason for this?

Last edited by Lucy; July 30th, 2009 at 03:41 PM. Reason: merging back to back posts, you can use the edit button to edit a post. :)
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Old July 30th, 2009  
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Sometimes a weaker fish will be effected more. Problem is, they probably are being effected it's just that they're not showing outside symptoms.....yet.

You should be able to get Prime at most any fish store. You might to call first.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Oh ok i hope he will get better Is it called Prime in the UK? or somthing else?
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
I don't think Prime exists in the UK. I may be wrong however.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Oh what other product could i use?
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Old July 30th, 2009  
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishlover71 View Post
Aw, thats the cutest guppy ever! About the fish, I think he's fine, But you should keep an eye on him, i guess he seems a little lethargic, but you may wanna turn the tempreture down..
The guppy has clamped fins, which isn't a sign of a healthy fish.

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Oh ok i hope he will get better Is it called Prime in the UK? or somthing else?
I hope he feels better soon too. Hopefully once the ammonia gets undr control, he will.
I'm not sure about the availablity of Prime in the UK, I'm sorry.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Ive been looking on the internet for a product in the UK that is the same as Prime and im not having much luck is there a UK forumer that can maybe suggest somthing?
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Moderator
 
I'm not familiar with UK forums. Maybe start a thread asking where our UK members found Prime or if they can recommend a similar product.
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Good idea thanks so much for all the help, i know Tac is very greatful
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Old July 30th, 2009  
Fish Keeper
 
Just a thought: Did you add enough TSS? Maybe you didn't add enough and the ammonia has built up faster than the new bacteria can catch up. How much do you have left?
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Old July 31st, 2009  
Fish Helper
 
Added 1ml to every liter i think i was, i have been added it hwne doing a water change too, id that right? or shouldi stop? I got the ammonia product today and added it soon as i got in, how long does it take to work, or before we see if its working?
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