ABCDemily

Basically with TSS you need to use Tetra AquaSafe, and not do any water changes for the ten days after you added it. Wait until you've finished with the ammo treatment then maybe add more dependant on the result.

kaystar

Ok, so ive done the ammonia treatment now, shall i wait awhile for it to start taking affects before i do another water change? or do one asap? and add more ammonia treatment and tss?

hantsgal

Just to let you know that Prime is available in the UK but none of the LFS I've been to seem to stock it. I got mine from ebay and it was the only thing that got my fish through some dodgy water conditions. well Prime and a lot of water changes!!

kaystar

Oh ok thanks, i will have to go to a few diffrent pet shops around if not i think i will get some of ebay too.

harpua2002

Sorry you're having trouble with cycling. I agree that large, frequent water changes are the way to go until the tank cycles, and that a liquid test kit would be a good idea. Do you have any friends that have aquariums that could give you a used filter pad or a handful of gravel or anything?

This is exactly why I don't understand the widespread recommendations for TSS. Just like BioSpira, there are plenty of cases where it doesn't work... and even when it does work in a few days, the fish still suffer until then. Media transfer or fishless cycling are the only sure bets IMO.
*climbs off soapbox now*

kaystar

Dont know anyone else that has fish been in to look at my sick fish (tac is his name) and hes looking worse his tail is mroe clamped and his tail is drooping alot the other two fish are looking good though. Ive not fed them today, should i? Im going to have a drive out tomorow to a large pet store where they sell loads fish products to see if i can get some prime then do a 70% water change and hhope that it helps tac and that im not to late

harpua2002

You don't have to get Prime to do a water change. Since you don't have it, just use any product that is a dechlorinator. A 50% water change will cut the ammonia level in half, so you may need to do this multiple times a day. The important thing right now is to get the ammonia level down no matter what dechlorinator you use.

kaystar

Ok, so keep adding the water conditioner whenever i do a water change and the water safe too. I hope tac makes it through the night hes no looking at all well

Lucy

Poor little guy, I'm sorry he's not doing well.
What are your readings today?

kaystar

Good morning just been down to check on him, i was so worried last night i didnt think he would make it, but he has and he looks great, his tail has fanned out not all the way but more alot from yesterday, there is a hole/half moon shapped bit of fin missing at the base of his tail, im not sure if its been there a while and we couldnt see it because his tail was clamped. Other than that he looks great, just done a ammonia tes and it was 0 so WOOO going to do a 50%-70% water change today and use the conditioner and ammonia kit to be safe and hopfully he will be ok few thanks for all youe help so far guys and girls, i know hes not out of the woods yet but hes getting there thanks to you

ABCDemily

Glad the little guy's looking better! Hope it keeps going well for you Kay. I'd keep on going with the W/C's for now, just to make sure that you don't have another ammonia spike. I'd lower the W/C's to about 30% though.

Good luck!

kaystar

Ok il do a 30% one today should i start feeding them again? and is his tail anything to worry about or will it heal itself?

ABCDemily

The water changes should help heal his tail, pristine water is the cure for many an ailment within the aquarium. I'd recommend feeding very small pinch twice a day, when the light goes on, and when it goes off. Make sure that it's crushed up quite small, they get more of it and you can feed less. I'd continue with the W/C's with the conditioner until his tails healed, do every day for one week, then every other day until it's healed.

It may take a while, up to a month dependant on how large it is.

Good luck with it

kaystar

Ok, i will do exactly that thanks again

harpua2002

With any possible cycling issues in the tank, I would cut down to feeding once a day or once every other day. Even in cycled tanks, my fish only eat once a day, and we skip a day every week. A lot of people overfeed IMO (not saying you do, just that it's really easy to do).

kaystar

Ive only fed them once today so i wont feed them again. What sort of live food can you give guppys? If there is any.

cerianthus

If pH is lower than 7.4, I would not worry about that high Ammonia(NH3) because most of NH3 is in toxic form. But I would be concerned if pH lower than 6.8 as exposure to low pH, especially new fish, would cause such symptoms on Guppy.

Rather than depending on chemical additives, would perform smalm, not 50%, on daily basis. Even twice or three times a day depending on test results. Dont know the ph of yout tap? That would help in determining how much and how often pwc should be done.

If what you posted is pH b/n 6 and 8, it is terrible kit. Get a better test kit as Lucy said and post result. Doing small water changes for now is better than none. Knowing more precise pH of tank and tap water sould help.

As far as med, how about waiting until water is up to par. I dont have much trust in Melafix personally since it is more prophylactic than actual specific antibiotic.

If the symptoms worsens, you may use formalite (may not be avail anymorte but either Aq Pharm or Jungle might have equivalent) and if the edges of fin pectoral fins develop crust add Amphicillin.

You can separate the fish using breeding trap or other DIY contraption (floating strainer, yes one that used for noodles but new one just for fish tank) if you dont have QT, at least to separate from being bothered.

harpua2002

I see where you're coming from, but it's been my experience for years that 50% water changes will not harm fish except in cases of "old tank syndrome" which this clearly is not (I would never do this for marine fish, though). In fact, my weekly changes are 50-60%. In a case where the tank is cycling, I feel it's important to cut the ammonia level quickly, and possibly several times a day. But, my personal experience is certainly worth no more than yours, and I respect your opinion.

scatty

I've been following this thread avidly. How is guppy doing?

kaystar

Well the ammonia levels are down, doign a 40-50% water change everyday, ive been out today and bought them an air pump and some air stones so hopfully they will ike that. However Tac has a part of his tail missing im not sure how it got there but since his tail has fanned out mroe you can see it, I took some pictures





I am worried about him still, he does look better though (apart from his tail) im not sure if due to him being ill or if the other 2 have one this to him.

Hope you can see the pictures clearly

ABCDemily

Woah, the little rays are showing! Poor guy! I've never seen an injury like that. I'd buy a small acrylic breeder and keep him in there to isolate him from the other guppies. Keep with pristine water changes, good luck with the lil fella!

kaystar

Ok not good news, hes lost more than half his tail now... Is this somthing done byt the other 2 fish? Does the small acrylic breeder tank need to be heated and have a filter?

Ive tryed to take a picture of him but hes moving around fast so i didnt get a good one, its not really stopping him from swimming. Is it fatal though? If his hole tail falls of will he not be able to swim?



Ive put red lines through where he has lost more of his tail

ABCDemily

Basically an acylic breeder floats in the tank, its what you put pregnant females in, but works well as a Q-tine tank. It doesnt need to be heated and filtered as water can flow through.

Good luck with the little guy, some guppies see another one is sick and just pick on him, it's really sad.

He's a lovely fish, good luck with him, I'm sure someone else will be able to help to a higher standard soon.

Shawnie

poor lil guy...he looks so sad but having all males in that size tank, is most likely an agression issue males are bullies.. he needs a breeder trap so he can heal and not be picked on anymore as well as some fish protector and vita chem if you can find it..partial daily water changes with some stress coat will also help heal his fins but it will take a few weeks ....his face is priceless love his features

kaystar

Ok, all the pet shops where i live are all closed untill tomorrow now so i will have to go and see if they have any on my lunch tomorow. Is it fin rot he has? Will he still be able to swim if he loses it before i can get the breeder trap?

ray_sj

You can also use a small clean (never seen soap) strainer or colander to separate the injured fish in the same tank. Since he'll be spending quite some time in there, the larger the better, to avoid adding more stress.

He looks like he has a bit of fin rot. As others have suggested, you should keep the water as clean as possible to help the fish fight off the infection. If the fin rot progresses further toward the body, you might have to consider antibiotics.

kaystar

Ok, i did a WC and have tac in a beeder container, ive added some Stress Coat too. Is there anything else i can do for him?

kaystar

Just a quick catch up for you guys Tac is still not looking his best and if things couldnt get worse our filter packed up last night so its been a rush around to try and find a new one, but its in now and ive just done a water change and added all the nesessary treatments hes looking a little sad on his own in his breeder box float thingy but i do hope he pulls through

bolivianbaby

Give him fishy hugs for us and let him know we're pulling for him

mercurybebe

Sending out lots of good vibes and wishes to Tac. He is a lovely color, what a cute face too!

I've had the experience of my male guppies eating the fins off of another male guppy (he ended up dying) because they formed a gang of sorts. Male Guppies have posed the biggest problem with bullying in my tanks...