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Old July 18th, 2009  
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Ph problems stalling cycle :(

About 36 days into my fishless cycle now. Been using Ace ammonia. Anywho, my bacteria can take 4ppm down to zero in 12 hours. And my nitrites are definitely converting nitrates too. My issue is that my ammonia reduction slowed down last week, and i didn't know why. Turns out my pH had dropped down under 6, and i read the bacteria goes dormant or even dies around there. By the way, my true ph is 7.6, and my tank was keeping that until i added plants, and my bacteria started taking off. So i did big water change, got it back up, and my cycle picked right back up. But it went down again... So i thought about it and i figured it must be the one plant, which had some dying parts. So i removed that and did another change to bring ph back up. Seemed fine, but other plant was doing so so (diatoms on the leaves were killing the plant matter under it and was hard to see) and i removed that yesterday, another water change. I thought i would be fine now, all i have left is fake decor. But its going down again, but much slower.

So after looking through the forum archives, i came across something about high nitrates or nitrites creating acid. That is basically my only theory left to what is causing this. I know that my nitrites are sitting at 5+. My nitrates however jump very quickly, something like from 10ppm to 40+ (i honestly cant tell the difference past 40ppm on the test) in 24 hours. The ph drop does seem to correlate to the nitrates jumping up.

So does that seem like it might be the reason? Or does anyone else know what could be causing it? I really do not want to keep having this battle with ph, and stalling my cycle it is already hard enough waiting for fish. (Funny enough my family is more impatient than me and wants me to put fish in now, but i tell them that is cruel and definitely not happening)

Melkor

P.S. Just thought i would add my API liquid kit is new, and I'm doing it right, lots of shaking and direction following :P
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Old July 18th, 2009  
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Hi, I had the same problem with my cycle. What worked for me was to add some crushed coral to my filter media. I put a few handfuls into filter media bags and within a day my pH was stable at 7.5 throughout the cycle.
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Old July 18th, 2009  
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About 36 days into my fishless cycle now. Been using Ace ammonia. Anywho, my bacteria can take 4ppm down to zero in 12 hours. And my nitrites are definitely converting nitrates too. My issue is that my ammonia reduction slowed down last week, and i didn't know why. Turns out my Ph had dropped down under 6, and i read the bacteria goes dormant or even dies around there. By the way, my true ph is 7.6, and my tank was keeping that until i added plants, and my bacteria started taking off. So i did big water change, got it back up, and my cycle picked right back up. But it went down again... So i thought about it and i figured it must be the one plant, which had some dying parts. So i removed that and did another change to bring ph back up. Seemed fine, but other plant was doing so so (diatoms on the leaves were killing the plant matter under it and was hard to see) and i removed that yesterday, another water change. I thought i would be fine now, all i have left is fake decor. But its going down again, but much slower.

So after looking through the forum archives, i came across something about high nitrates or nitrites creating acid. That is basically my only theory left to what is causing this. I know that my nitrites are sitting at 5+. My nitrates however jump very quickly, something like from 10ppm to 40+ (i honestly cant tell the difference past 40ppm on the test) in 24 hours. The ph drop does seem to correlate to the nitrates jumping up.

So does that seem like it might be the reason? Or does anyone else know what could be causing it? I really do not want to keep having this battle with ph, and stalling my cycle it is already hard enough waiting for fish. (Funny enough my family is more impatient than me and wants me to put fish in now, but i tell them that is cruel and definitely not happening)

Melkor

P.S. Just thought i would add my API liquid kit is new, and I'm doing it right, lots of shaking and direction following :P
Hi ..I was just researching the ph in aquariums today. And it stated that if the nitrates are high it will lower the ph..Any dead plants will also raise the nitrate level. hope this helps a little with one of your questions
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Old July 19th, 2009  
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Cycling is torture

Thank you for the help. I actually have another question. I was reading in the fishless cycling instructions stickied up above, that you should cut the ammonia added in half. I did the add and wait method (i guess it really doesn't matter too much between methods?), but it did not say to cut in half on that one. I am thinking if it won't kill off my built up bacteria, it should definitely slow down my ph drop from nitrates. I add 4ml every 12 hours, so would 2 or 3ml keep the bacteria alive and kicking?

Melkor
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Old July 19th, 2009  
Fish Bum
 
I think the best advice I've read is to start with 5, no greater. Once you've detected nitrites keep ammonia below half that, then once nitrites are 0, finalize with ammonia at 5 to make sure it's reduced to 0 within 12-24 hours.

I'd say that's optimal, but don't stress to make things perfect. Just stay below 8 and the rest is gravy.
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Old July 19th, 2009  
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Good morning Melkor and Welcome to Fish Lore . Congrats on doing a fishless cycle. Just in case you haven't seen it, below is a link concernng maintaining a stable pH. Best of luck with your cycle.
http://www.ratemyfishtank.com/articles/107
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Old July 19th, 2009  
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I had the same problem. Add some crushed coral in a media bag to your filter while you are cycling. This will help keep the Ph and restart the cycle again. My cycle would go from a PH of 7.6 down to 6-6.2 in just a day or two after a water change. The cycle was stopped cold in its tracks. Sadly it took me 4 months to cycle my tank. Once I figured out what the problem was it finished up pretty quickly. Keep the Ph up or it may never finish!
Once the cycle is finished REMOVE the coral as it will most likely level out on its own. Although my water is so soft (The harder the water the more stable the Ph will be)
that I still use a small amount of crushed coral in my tank as I have plants. Plants can quickly drop the Ph by using up the minerals in the water.
Best Wishes,
Nate
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