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March 23rd, 2009
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| Stress Coat+
i just got off the phone with a rep; from sc+ and he tells me that is is good for amonia-detox only up to .5 of amonia and i have asked him to post here so we will all know for sure, and he said water change not nesseccary, when adding the sc+. Now i am a little confused lol But hopefully he will post lol. And in the meantime i think i will get some Prime again at least it remains the same lol bella | 
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Thanks, Bella, that's interesting info. Nothing a water change won't take care of. | 
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Yeah, i told him we were all interested in correct info after he said don't believe the internet-which i then jumped on him regarding fishlore and said we liked correct info and please take the time to inform us as we would welcome your comments and suggestions. bella | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Off, to get some Prime lol, i am not happy with their info bella | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| The only thing I find interesting actually shocking is that the new Stress Coat + which detoxifies ammonia only does so to .5 PPM. If that is even remotely true its a recipe for disaster as water chnages although great and necessary do not always lower toxicity levels, and even if they do its not enough as ammonia at even low levels is deadly. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by CWO4GUNNER  The only thing I find interesting actually shocking is that the new Stress Coat + which detoxifies ammonia only does so to .5 PPM. If that is even remotely true its a recipe for disaster as water chnages although great and necessary do not always lower toxicity levels, and even if they do its not enough as ammonia at even low levels is deadly. | Maybe I read this wrong.....water changes lower the amount of toxins in your tank. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by Lucy Maybe I read this wrong.....water changes lower the amount of toxins in your tank. | I think maybe the guy was trying to suggest that as long ammonia didn't exceed 0.5ppm that SC+ would detoxify it and you wouldn't have to do a water change. Not a recommendation I would agree with but then again I don't work for the company. I work for my fish. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| I would imaging that what the rep meant is that stress coat only works up to .5 PPM when it comes to detoxifying when you use the recommended dosage. I.E. 1 cap full per 20 gallons (or whatever it is). But if you had 1PPM essentially, you would need 2 capfulls, and 4 for 2 PPM and 8 for 4 PPM. For larger levels using a higher dosage should work, but the question is how much can you put in to the tank before the stress coat itself becomes dangerous.
I would agree that the best thing to do is a water change and use stress coat or prime as a supplement to keeping the water safe, and not as a main tactic.
but Prime should be used with caution too. Prime contains alot of sulphur, which can possibly toxify the water if too much is used. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| SW-i agree, with the water changes and i wish this rep; would send us a post. It would be nice to get correct info bella | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by shadowavenger I would imaging that what the rep meant is that stress coat only works up to .5 PPM when it comes to detoxifying when you use the recommended dosage. I.E. 1 cap full per 20 gallons (or whatever it is). But if you had 1PPM essentially, you would need 2 capfulls, and 4 for 2 PPM and 8 for 4 PPM. For larger levels using a higher dosage should work, but the question is how much can you put in to the tank before the stress coat itself becomes dangerous. | That actually resembles alot like what Kordon told me in regards to Amquel+. I told him I have high nitrates out of my tap, and he recommended adjusting the dosage to compensate for it. I'm wondering then, if alot of these products work the same way? | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Absolutely in most cases! However almost without exception a lowering of 4 PPM ammonia to 2 PPM after a 50% water Change is moot without a detoxifier as ammonia is deadly at .03 PPM. I can also tell you that if the source of the ammonia is located in the substrata or filter media, a water change will have almost no effect on toxicity levels. Like a dead body in building, you can open the windows and vent air all you want but until the dead body is removed its not going to be habitable. In the end its all about toxicity with respect to NH3 and while I'm an advocate of water changes, I believe that any more then 50% in a 24 hour period is borderline harmful as well and in doing so not getting to the hart of the real problem and treating it IMHO. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy Maybe I read this wrong.....water changes lower the amount of toxins in your tank. |
Last edited by CWO4GUNNER; March 23rd, 2009 at 01:41 PM.
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March 23rd, 2009
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|  You won't be surprised if I respectfully disagree. Lowering the amount of ammonia is extremely important for the fish's health. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by shadowavenger but Prime should be used with caution too. Prime contains alot of sulphur, which can possibly toxify the water if too much is used. | As long as water changes are done before dosing again, it should be fine. Thats my opinion. | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Of course not, its just a friendly fun exchange of ideas, the reason why we are all such special creatures. But my point is lowering the number PPM artillery shells hinting your position through water changes is great, but it only takes one shell (.03 PPM) to kill an entire squad. More importantly you need to eliminate the enemy's command and control his ability to hit you (eliminating toxicity). Both methods should always be implemented but without eliminating the threat (toxicity with detox) no one is going to be around to care how many shells (Amm PPM) diden't hit because of water chnages, it only takes .03 PPM overnight and you have dead fish. Follow this strategy or fish die, its that simple. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy You won't be surprised if I respectfully disagree. Lowering the amount of ammonia is extremely important for the fish's health. |
Last edited by CWO4GUNNER; March 23rd, 2009 at 04:03 PM.
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by CWO4GUNNER Of course not, its just a friendly fun exchange of ideas, the reason why we are all such special creatures. But my point is lowering the number PPM artillery shells hinting your position through water changes is great, but it only takes one shell (.03 PPM) to kill an entire squad. More importantly you need to eliminate the enemy's command and control his ability to hit you (eliminating toxicity). Both methods should always be implemented but without eliminating the threat (toxicity with detox) no one is going to be around to care how many shells (Amm PPM) diden't hit because of water chnages, it only takes .03 PPM overnight and you have dead fish. Follow this strategy or fish die, its that simple. | Spoken like a true military man, CWO4 (Gunner).
/salute
Former Sgt, USMC | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by CWO4GUNNER Of course not, its just a friendly fun exchange of ideas, the reason why we are all such special creatures. But my point is lowering the number PPM artillery shells hinting your position through water changes is great, but it only takes one shell (.03 PPM) to kill an entire squad. More importantly you need to eliminate the enemy's command and control his ability to hit you (eliminating toxicity). Both methods should always be implemented but without eliminating the threat (toxicity with detox) no one is going to be around to care how many shells (Amm PPM) diden't hit because of water chnages, it only takes .03 PPM overnight and you have dead fish. Follow this strategy or fish die, its that simple. |  I have no idea what you just said.  | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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| Easy translation: It doesn't matter how many bullets you DODGED...if one is enough to kill you. Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy I have no idea what you just said. | | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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|  Gotcha, thanks! | |
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March 23rd, 2009
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i realized that last smiley was a bit too graphic but wanted to find something similar on a placid elementary scale. I apologize for not being more thoughtful before posting and any embarrassment I may have caused you.
Sailors, we never learn... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucy I have no idea what you just said. |
Last edited by CWO4GUNNER; March 23rd, 2009 at 04:33 PM.
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March 24th, 2009
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| Hi: all, i guess the sales rep that i spoke too, didn't care enough about his product to post for us. So that helped with my decision to stick with Prime lol. bella | |
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March 24th, 2009
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Originally Posted by CWO4GUNNER
i realized that last smiley was a bit too graphic but wanted to find something similar on a placid elementary scale. I apologize for not being more thoughtful before posting and any embarrassment I may have caused you.
Sailors, we never learn... | I rather liked the first one...  | |
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March 24th, 2009
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Originally Posted by BerkleyJL I rather liked the first one... | It was also quite disrespectful.  | |
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