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January 27th, 2009
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| Prime = Ammo-lock?
Since Shawnie won't do it herself!(  ), I'm starting this thread regarding Prime and Ammo-lock. In a current on going discussion of another members tank, it was brought to light that Ammo-lock is the same as Prime. A few of us scratched our heads and said, uh ok. Shawnie called API, and I went to their main site to check it out. According to the rep Shawnie spoke with, and the way the wording is on how Ammo-lock now works... it is indeed the same as Prime in that it treats water removing chlorine's as well as detoxifying ammonia instead of locking as it was previously known to do.
Anyone else heard of this new change to Ammo-lock and have further proof of it? Reps don't always know what they are talking about and websites are often misleading but it appears to be working for at least one current member(which is flat-out awesome). | 
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January 27th, 2009
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| believe it or not FL, the rep said it hasnt changed in about a year!! which im still  about...I appologize again to anyone that I said the wrong information too about ammo lock being bad for the cycle...I was wrong!!! its identical to prime according to an api rep that I called ...I wasnt afraid to start the thread lol just wasnt sure it was my place  you da man!! 
ps...I called 3 different times and got 3 different ppl so either they are trained all the same to say the same thing, or its correct LOL not sure which | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| I heard that same info in another forum. If confirmed, it would be a great news for all of us.
Pepe
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Lucy   Yeah, how 'bout that. When CWO told me, I was surprised and looked it up. They've definitely changed the product. It used to be in fizzy tab form.
Sorry, but this is 
I found it interesting API would make Stress Coat+ and ammo lock, 2 products that claim to do the same thing.
So I looked at my bottle of Stress Coat+. It states that it removes ammonia from tap water. Not detoxify it. K, I'm finished hi-jacking CWO's thread. | from another thread so I called back!! hahaha ..heres their answers.....
stress coat+ and ammo lock are products that act the same for the cycling purpose, and DOES keep the ammonia available for the cycle, but stress coat has the added aloe and such to heal slime coat and skin issues ...told you I have to hear it from their mouths LOL | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| Thanks for starting this thread, I posted in the other thread too.
Ammo Lock sure has changed. It made me wonder why API would have two products that claim to detox ammonia. Stress Coat+ and Ammo Lock.
Looking at the bottle of Stress Coat+ it states that it removes ammonia from tap water. Not detoxify it. It says the same thing on their website.
I know we've had this discusssion before, just can't find it. In that discussion I thought a member linked to the website with info about SC+ being like Prime.
Edit: Shawnie, do you mean API claims Ammo-Lock and Stress Coat+ work the same way? | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| Question though. Does Ammo-Lock have the other nifty features that Prime, Ultimate, etc... have? Stuff like heavy metal detoxification?
Edit: And if Ammo Lock changed from the old formula a year or so ago, it makes sense that we're still giving the old information. It takes a while for this kind of thing to catch up. If they had plastered "New formula! Doesn't interrupt the nitrogen cycle!" over their bottles when they changed the formula, we likely would have learned this much sooner, as someone would have said "but my bottle says it doesn't interrupt the cycle," and we would have looked into it.
Last edited by sirdarksol; January 27th, 2009 at 04:04 PM.
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January 27th, 2009
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| Ammo-Lock
It doesn't say anything about heavy metals. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| no on the heavy metals for ammo lock..and yes lucy api says they both keep the ammonia avail but only the stress coat has the metals remover and the slime coat rebuilder...ammo lock does just that ...detoxis the ammonia but keeps it avail
edit: the stress coat+ has a small amount of ammo lock in it...but ammo lock does just the ammonia if that makes sense LOL ...im not wording right am i ...brunette moments!
Last edited by Shawnie; January 27th, 2009 at 04:08 PM.
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January 27th, 2009
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| Thanks for the clarification. I wonder why they don't say that on the bottle of SC+.
LOL, I know we've been down this road before. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Lucy Thanks for the clarification. I wonder why they don't say that on the bottle of SC+.
LOL, I know we've been down this road before. |  cost more for the ink to print it there? ran out of room on the bottle? LOL | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Interesting... so we've been wrong all along? | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydpuffer Interesting... so we've been wrong all along? | I wouldnt say wrong , as ammo lock did lock it ..but was changed about a year ago...so no we werent wrong we just didnt realize they changed the formula | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by pinkfloydpuffer Interesting... so we've been wrong all along? | just the last year  | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie I wouldnt say wrong , as ammo lock did lock it ..but was changed about a year ago...so no we werent wrong we just didnt realize they changed the formula | Ah, I see! So the bottle I bought about 6 months ago actually does work then? That's definitely good to know. I was just using it in my QT tank. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| This actually is great news...Walmart doesn't sell Prime but they carry stress coat and ammo lock. Since that's the closet place to me that is great news...I'm just curious though if you wanted the benefit of both...How much would you use of both??..Half and Half?? | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| Strange, a few weeks ago i had a ammonia problem and my LFS told me that ammolock will not remove the ammonia but "lock" it in. He also told me its used for if you want to rapidly drop ammonia levels.
I just found this article and im going to read it now, if anyone would like to check it out there it is: http://www.articlesbase.com/pets-art...re-132946.html
Last edited by Mike19; January 27th, 2009 at 06:59 PM.
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by CHoffman This actually is great news...Walmart doesn't sell Prime but they carry stress coat and ammo lock. Since that's the closet place to me that is great news...I'm just curious though if you wanted the benefit of both...How much would you use of both??..Half and Half?? | IMO I would only stick with the stress coat+ but sometimes thats not as available as ammo lock...
Mike...up until last year, thats what it did do...it now evidently is refomatted to keep the ammonia available for the cycle process but make it non toxic for the fish | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie Mike...up until last year, thats what it did do...it now evidently is refomatted to keep the ammonia available for the cycle process but make it non toxic for the fish | Last year meaning, 31st/12/2008?, what about old stock at shops will that be replaced or just discounted to get rid of ? | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Mike19 Last year meaning, 31st/12/2008?, what about old stock at shops will that be replaced or just discounted to get rid of ? | have no clue on the exact date LOL ...was just told about a year ago...and have not a clue what the shops will do guess you would have to ask them | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| Im happy with my prime haha, i got a bottle of ammo-lock on hand though for just in case emergencies. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie IMO I would only stick with the stress coat+ but sometimes thats not as available as ammo lock...
Mike...up until last year, thats what it did do...it now evidently is refomatted to keep the ammonia available for the cycle process but make it non toxic for the fish | YOur right...It's not available here at all..I wish it were. It's good to know anyway for emergencies...I never know when I'll be getting a surprise fish. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by CHoffman YOur right...It's not available here at all..I wish it were. It's good to know anyway for emergencies...I never know when I'll be getting a surprise fish. | since stress coat+ became available , and does so much more than the original stress coat, I buy it by the gallon so ive dropped prime all together...ive never used ammo lock but its nice to know you can if the other isnt available | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| That's what I need to do is buy the stress coat plus by the gallon...Actually I went through my fosterandsmith catalog the other day and circled everything I "needed'...It only came to about $300.00...lol...I will do that though especially when this 125 is stocked ...I'll be going through it like crazy. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| I certainly don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but I did notice that no one has been able to supply a link detailing the reformulation of ammo-lock. Just suggesting you might not want to throw away that bottle of Prime too soon. | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Dozey I certainly don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but I did notice that no one has been able to supply a link detailing the reformulation of ammo-lock. Just suggesting you might not want to throw away that bottle of Prime too soon. | Possible suggestion/concern/rant
1-800-847-0659 api number http://aquariumpharm.com/Products/Pr...x?ProductID=45 link
Last edited by Shawnie; January 27th, 2009 at 08:42 PM.
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Lucy Ammo-Lock
It doesn't say anything about heavy metals. | Quote:
Originally Posted by Dozey I certainly don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade but I did notice that no one has been able to supply a link detailing the reformulation of ammo-lock. Just suggesting you might not want to throw away that bottle of Prime too soon. | Linked to their website above | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie | Well see how easy that was  | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Dozey Well see how easy that was | ill be grounded im sure! LOL | |
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January 27th, 2009
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| Stress coat + does say it "detoxifies heavy metals".
It just says it "removes chlorine chloromines and Ammonia"
sounds like API needs to get better bottle designers! | |
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January 27th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Nathan Allen Stress coat + does say it "detoxifies heavy metals".
It just says it "removes chlorine chloromines and Ammonia"
sounds like API needs to get better bottle designers! | it does all that we know ..it was the ammo lock we didnt know about | |
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