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Old February 4th, 2009  
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Yeah that was a couple weeks ago. I think I had the aerators too low one night when the tank was treated with detox and the oxygen level got too low for him down on the bottom. Now I use micro bubble aerators and have 3 blasting all day and then at night I just one in the far corner blasting which leaves the opposite side calm and the calm side is where they sleep.

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Old February 4th, 2009  
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Greetings all Wogs.
Based on this mornings relatively good cycle numbers our strategy this after noon was to concentrate Navel gun fire on the Borg Nitrates with 30% water charges and avoid yesterday's larger 75% water charge and related crew casualties. Although today's attack yielded some progress against Darth ammonia, less then expected results were achieved against the Borg Nitrates forces which remain at 40+ PPM, redder then fish spleen on the battlefield. Upon this discovery additional chemical weapons were launched to soften the enemy which included Prime, stress coat, and Nitraban. At the moment there are no plans to mount a new attack until possibly late this evening if circumstances on the ground deteriorate.
Top Secret! Controversial countermeasures may include the passive washing out of Borg nitrate Headquarters with aqua-wa-wa in order to vanquish the enemy's resources and reserves, similar to the historic siege on Darth Ammonia's HQ 3 weeks ago. Last water reading as follows:
Ammo .50
Nitrate 40 PPM
nitrite 2 PPM
pH 6.8
That is all…

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Old February 5th, 2009  
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Tuesday week 6 new cycling 60g tank with 28 fish accounted for no casualties, all fish lively and fed. Wogs Ill have to make this report brief as I got me patriarch sister coming aboard to visit and getting the shipshape just in a nick of time. A 50% water cannon fire (57%Softener+RO) laced with chem weapons (Prime/Nitraban/WDV), sand vac, and cleaning of the filter bilges (filthy nasty) with aqua water so as not to kill too much good bacteria. Our attack finally vanquished Darth ammonia now a yellow bellied coward with zero pulse. Unbelievably though Prince Nitrite at 5 but I hear its all part of his death throws when loosing the battle. Although the Borg Nitrate are still 40 PPM strong we have struck an armistice and agreed that if his forces exceed 50 PPM I will have no choice but to retaliate with a Nitrate filter.
Ok got to get me and the crew into our dress blues for visitors and place the ribbons on the life lines and hoist all colors. So until later my Wog friends remember NEVER give up against evil and in the words of our Christian forefather Ben Franklin said "Those that would exchange freedom for safety, deserve neither freedom nor safety"
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Old February 5th, 2009  
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Gunner,
Love the way you are logging all the events and glad you've done whatever it took to keep your mates alive.

My question is why so many water conditioners? They pretty much performs similar/same duties but made by different Co. Been out myself for few yrs and it seems lots of new products. Upon reviwing these product, Prime seems be the ideal choice, IMO. I never bothered with such products then and still not using since last summer when I returned to S/W. I am a firm believer of Having Reserve (aged Water) ready all the time.

It seems half the battle is almost over. As far as nitrite is concerned, and only in Non-live plant tank, sould add Aq Salt as instructed on the box. This will help you at least detoxify some free nitrite ion as sodium will bind with nitrite ion and end product will be removed via water changes. Just remember to replenish what you took out with water changes.

As far as nitrate, it is not as toxic as NH3, NO2 thus dont go overboard trying to bring it down to zero. Once tank stablizes, figure out how fast NO3 increases per week then you can determine how mush and how often partial water change (pwc) has to be performed to keep it low.

I've used vinegar to lower the pH on reserve water which was always prepare and running with aeration/circulation whenever i wanted to lower pH to initiate/stimulate breeding of certain fish.

I grew up using Supreme Aquaking & Superking where I modified the use by sticking bogplants in the hang-on-back(HOB) fiter boxes. Although did not see much drop in nitrate (limit to how may box can be hung) but I am sure it did. Itwas pretty to have pants grow/flower behind the tank with suspended lighting (Homemade).

Hope all goes well for you & your mates!!
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Old February 5th, 2009  
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It's good to hear that your cycle is almost over! Although I will be sad when this thread is over. It has been most entertaining, and I hope you continue to update us in your endeavors after the war is won over Darth!

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Old February 10th, 2009  
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Greetings all wogers and wogettes. As you know I have been incommunicado as me sister matriarch came to pay visit to me and the crew, who has now departed back to the land of Disney. In my last ships log entry I mentioned that the tank was almost cycled with Darth Ammonia a cowardly yellow making 0 PPM threats. Tis true since then we have been maintaining that number for the past 4 days, with Prince Nitrite down to 1 PPM and the Borg Nitrites unwavering at 40 PPM in accordance with our armistice. Albiet we have one or two more skirmishes with the enemy before the water readings are pristine. I believe the crew and I have finally mastered the Black Cycle Sea and have even added two members to the crew list, SA (seamen apprentice) Afro Frog and SA Siam Fighter, bringing our crew complement back up to 30.
My short but intense experience has learned me some valuable information (IMHO) I would like to share. Therefore not withstanding my critics, I offer the following lessons learned:

(1) Cycling method. Although there are a few methods to cycle a tank I prefer cycling a tank with fish, only perhaps 1 fish per 20 gallons and that of a hardy variety. Do not put yourself through what I went through trying what is almost impossible trying to navigate a 60 gallon vessel with 30 green crewmembers in the hostile waters of the Black Cycle Sea. Although exciting it is a method I will never use again. The benefit of cycling with just 1 hardy fish per 20 gallons is you get the experience of how to fend off Darth Ammonia and his spawn with all the weapons at hand gaining valuable fighting skills for the future.
While a fishless cycle while requiring almost no effort also offers no lessons learned, making you unprepared and unskilled in recognizing and fighting off the enemies evil hordes the first time they climb aboard with a full crew complement that has no experienced hands. Learning to protect a few hardy fish through a cycle will make earn you the rank of Captain Aquarius.
(2) Changing dirty water (water changes). I have learned that although water changes are a key tool in the fight against evil hordes of ammonia, nitrite and nitrates, it has little effect against high PPM numbers if the source is a dirty filter which can and must be changed simultaneously provided old aquarium water is used (no new chlorinated water) and the old bio sponge and carbon is retained while new filter media is used to replace old. This IMHO makes a huge difference in the progress toward dropping otherwise stubborn high enemy PPM numbers. While negligibly affecting good bacteria numbers which cover the entire aquarium as well.

(3) Carbon. I have learned that low ash Carbon, preferably made from coconut shell is a valuable tool in polishing water to crystal clarity, controlling odor, and most importantly providing unrivaled surface area to harbor good bacteria and there food source bio waste. 1 cup of carbon provides many times the surface area of your aquarium in providing a home for good bacteria, believe it or not.

(4) PH. I have researched and confirmed to my own satisfaction that a PH level between 6.5 to 7 is extremely valuable in shielding a new or established tank against ongoing or surprise ammonia attacks against deadly NH3 ammonia that are naturally contained when standard test readings are as high as 8 PPM. Maintaining a PH range between 6.5 to 7 respectively is not only doable and livable for most fish species but is an invaluable missile defense system against the most common killer of all fish, Darth Ammonia.

(5) Use of chemicals. In an open natural environment such as in a lake toxic levels of fish waste are easily controlled by those forces that the Creator has set forth by design, the explanation of which are beyond the scope of this entire forum. But I can tell you that in a closed environment such as in our teeny tiny aquariums (by comparison) fish waste has nowhere to go except into a filter where mechanical and biological processes cannot compare to creation. It is therefore reasonable and necessary to use chemicals and or medicines to offset the hazards we create in an artificial environment in order to have ornamental fish, plain and simple. Using those chemicals and medicines on the word of a few individuals without personally understanding there cure, cause and effect is a big mistake.

(6) Study to show thyself approve. Speaking for myself I have learned that there is as much enjoyment and satisfaction learning about how a hobby works then just going through the motions on the advice of others. Like my old Gunner on the USS Midway used to say “ before asking someone for the answer, try cracking a book and providing a possible solution.”

(7) I found that a UV Sterilizer in combination with having carbon in your filter really provides the knock out punch on water cloudiness whether caused by minerals or bacteria bloom. I recommend the affordable "Green Killing Machine" with its own built in water pump as the answer to bio and algae bloom problems.

Anyway all is well aboard and the crew are happy, hungry and playful, despite the naysayer’s you can accomplish just about anything if you put your mind to it.

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Old February 12th, 2009  
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Thursday week 7 new 60g tank with 30 fish all accounted for.

Well my dear Wogs that day has finally arrived that IMHO we have successfully navigated the Black Cycle Sea and reached the sailors port of Cycled Bay where the natives are friendly. The Bamboo and Hedera Ivy we planted in the hang filter has really taken off with the roots bare in the water clinging and collecting some black substance from the water. For the first time the Borg Nitrates actually came down from 40 to 20 PPM without a water change intervention. If these low light indoor plants continue to thrive and grow filling the hang filter with roots, I plan to mount another cheap hang filter and not even use the filter inserts just plant more roots in the water box. I hope to archive an actual real complete cycle in which Nitrates are consumed my huge growing vines of Hedera Ivy on the walls with roots filling the hand filters and see how long water changes can be put off provided it works and all the water numbers reach 0 PPM.

In the mean time Nitrites have peaked and are almost zero now, my numbers as follows:

Ammo 0 PPM consistently this whole week
Nitrites 1 PPM falling, still using 20 mil of Prime daily to guard against toxicity
Nitrates 20 PPM Found out that it was Nitraband that was depleting Oxygen in doses higher then 10 mil in a 10 minute period. Plan to continue 75% weekly water changes until plant roots bring Nitrates down to 10 PPM will do 25% weekly water changes, if 0 PPM will do quarterly water changes of 50%. We will see how it goes but I envision this fast growing low light Hedera Ivy to climb the walls on nailed strings until they reach the windows. The bigger the plants the more nutrients it should pull out of the water, unlike all the wasted space taken inside an aquarium for aqua plants, with diseases, maintenance, and the floating decay aqua plants can cause.
PH being maintained at 6.8 which requires between 75 and 150 mil of distilled whit vinegar (WDV) diluted in 2 gallons of water or 1 mil per gallon in 30 minute intervals until PH is achieved after a water change. At no time did the use of WDV affect or bother the fish in any way.
OK until next time my woggy friends, may your aquariums bring you tranquility, relaxation and an appreciation for the Creators gifts.

Last edited by CWO4GUNNER; February 13th, 2009 at 12:14 AM.
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Old February 16th, 2009  
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The Adventures of Captain Aquarius on The Black Cycle Sea

Ships Log USS Aquarius 60g; 2124 hours; Sunday week 7; location Cycle Bay; All 30 crewman present and accounted for.
Greeting all Wogs, Its been pretty lazy here in Cycle Bay as the crew is fattening up on the local hospitality along with romancing. Both of the Platinum Molly brothers have been non-stop courting the Black Molly sisters which are rounder then ripe pears. The Striped Tiger Barb gang have been busy eatin all the other crews meal portions when un attended, one particularly 3” fat Striper can eat so much at one sitting he once ate an entire frozen blood worm block in 5 rings of the ships bell, So I had to ration out his food. There has been no sign of Darth Ammonia on the serf or the board walk. Prince Nitrite has been seen pale and coughing in the alleys hanging on by .25 PPM. I hear the Borg Nitrates with only a gang of 10 PPM are behaving themselves outside of port. Albeit with no threats we still gave the ship a good 50% wash down today fore & Aft using 25ga softener water and 5ga RO. I decided not to partition off new quarters for the crewman Frog and Blue Siam Fighter, instead I allowed Siam to bring his wife aboard Lady Green Fighter which make 31 crewmembers now, it seemed to make the Siam less punchy and more interested in domestic activities. First mate Shark Columbo seems to be eating again as I upped the salt content to 1.5 tablespoon per 50 ga with no ill affects on the Cory’s or Pleco as both are filterin and sucking their way to algae heaven 24/7.
There is no telling when I will get command of my new flag ship aquarium The USS America as treasures for her keel haven’t yet been plundered LOL. 300ga displacement she will be with new engines never before tried (4000 GPH pool pump filter). She will be rigged with a special large displacement intake for low suction and feedback return valve to reduce and adjust return pressure and fully plumed for both water changes and drainage to yard irrigation pipes. Ah but its just a dream for now even though the crew is already pestering me about which one of them ill pick for the shake down cruise to take the new ship through the Perilous Black Cycle Sea to challenge the dark hordes of death.
Well that’s it my fishy faced friends, until there is more scuttlebutt to chew remember, “He that neglects his ship will have floaters outside his porthole for all to see, but he that keeps a squared away ship will put smiles on the faces of visitors and a frown on pestilence’s face.”

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