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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| God Help The Fish
sure there are some obstacles to having fish. but after reading some of these threads its insane how some people dont care about taking care of something until they see it dying. all it takes is a lil research on how to own a fish tank and some knowledge about your fish. a lil studying can go a long way. i mean is there any kind of good that can come out of throwing any kind of diff species together and it work? its frustraiting to see how much people are close minded and selfish enough to the point where they cant even care enough to take 10min out of there day to do a simple water change, or search the internet about having a fish tank. sure we learn from our mistakes but after the loss of death your pobably going to be doin some reading anyways (hopefully) so why not do the research before you start throwin a bunch of fish in a tank and watch em suffer is all im saying...
(i could go on and on but ill stop for now.. lol)
thanx for reading
Corey  | 
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
| I don't think its pure evil that drive people not to do research. I got my first fish tank with NO knowledge at all..It doesn't mean I'm mean or selfish I just didn't know..I thought it would just "work"...I found out differently of course, after things went wrong, and made the changes and now I LOVE fish keeping...but these people ARE now doing research and that's GOOD news...Better late then never..I should have researched beforeI got the tank but I listend to the "fish guy" at the store and thought I was golden..I say congrads to anyone who is trying to do right by their fish by learning even if it's late. People make mistakes that's a fact...It's what they do to fix the mistake that matters. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Most people do research before having a tank. Some people are thrown into the hobby. But you have to give them some credit for logging on to this forum and at least asking for some advice. Most of them are trying to do what's best for the fish. Yes, I'll agree - there are some people I've come across who shouldn't own any animal, and should probably be locked in a rubber room for their own safety. But in my expeirence, they are far & few between. Most are really trying to enjoy the hobby & provide a good home for their fish. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| most def agreed to what yall have said. theres a line between cruelty and a hobby.. to those who care enough to try are excluded from what i was saying | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Also alot of people just don't understand what is needed to take care for fish. It's not hard to understand a cat or dog, they're designed for the same environment that we are, all we have to do is feed and clean-up after them (and exercise). Fish are something that are completely different, they depend on us in a different way entirely. We literally control every accpect of their enviroment. And that's just a thing most people don't think of. However those that are serious about taking care of they're fish will learn. We all make mistakes along the way before we find the light. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| I can relate to what you are saying, but lets be fare and have a look at were the problem ( most times ) comes from.
Most people when they want to start in this hobby go to the LFS and listen to the people that work in the shop.. after all they are the experts ( yer right ).
They are told that they can do this and that.. when thing start to go wrong they sell them meds... and then people start looking at the internet... normaly its to late, but lets be fare about this, the LFS have a lot to answer, they give out advice and places like Fishlore pick up the pieces and try to help people start to enjoy this woderfull hobby.
How was your first tank and where did you go for your info? | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| It depends how you define cruel. I keep 3 sets of breeding Platys soley for the purpose of feeding my Oscars. They're well cared for in very nice planted aquariums and live very happy lives. But the only reason I've got them is to provide more Platys that get eaten as soon as they're big enough. Is that cruel? | 
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| alot of care comes with any pet you have.. whether its a cat, dog, reptile, bird or fish
you cant just throw a pomeranian in a backyard with a pitbull. a bearded dragon who thrives from the heat under a black light.. i think any animal we bring to our homes depends on us and fish should'nt be segregated to that of a dog just because it can lay on the couch with us. not going on a rant just saying what true fish lovers feel. not knocking on new fish owners either cause i dont consider myself an expert just trying to reach out to the ones who say they dont have time to take care of fish, or had fish put into there laps unexpectedly. so Hoorah! to those who care | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| lol i guess oscars gotta eat.. right? i mean thats like asking a mouse lover if feeding a snake mice is cruel | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Hey, hey, hey.
Not liking the Pit Bull comment. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| Good for the Eater, Bad for the Eaten
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick Goody  It depends how you define cruel. I keep 3 sets of breeding Platys soley for the purpose of feeding my Oscars. They're well cared for in very nice planted aquariums and live very happy lives. But the only reason I've got them is to provide more Platys that get eaten as soon as they're big enough. Is that cruel? | It is good for the eater, bad for the eaten. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| Just maintaining the balance! | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| "having fish in a tank 20g and under is cruel ...unless its a betta"
Um... isn't this a bit harsh? I can think of tons of fish right off the top of my head that do just fine in a 20g or less. I have 6 fish in my 10g and 3 in my 5g, am I cruel? (And not all of them are bettas) | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| I too was thrown into this hobby. My wife did do her homework before purchasing a tank and fish. She went to the most logical place to do her research, the LFS of course. If she had wanted a car she would have gone to a dealership. A house, she would have spoken to a realtor. It only made sense that she turne to a LFS for her research on fish.
Regrettably that research LED to a 3 gallon aquarium, 2 cichlids and a catfish. This certainly was not a cruel or even an act of neglect on her part.
Bad advice can certainly put people in a situation they had not bargained for. If I was a working student and had to juggle school, work and homework it might be too much to care for fish on top of all this.
Fortunately I work from home and my clients never know that I’m speaking to them on the phone with my free hand in my tank.
We now have a 35 gallon tank and when we first got it I only had a small siphon and a bucket for water changes. I assure you, it took me a lot more then 10 minutes to complete a 50% water change.
Last edited by Dozey; January 7th, 2009 at 09:23 PM.
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Dozey If I was a working student and had to juggle school, work and homework it might be too much to care for fish on top of all this. | Don't worry, it's do-able. I work fulltime and go to school fulltime, and still have time to care for my 3 tanks (adding 4th as soon as I can get it set up). | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| thanx PinkFloyd.. (which is one of the greatest bands of all time i might say.. along with Led Zepplin, Def Leppard and Tool.) for pointing out that anything is possible.
but yes i would have to say 5g is DEF cruel and 6 fish in a 10g  i hope there neon/cardinal tetra.. putting fish in a small aquarium takes away the need for them to roam and to live a happy life. okay you might have live plants and Clean water.. but thats expected for them to live.. not be happy. i have a koi pond.. and your telling me they rather be in a tank?? idk about you but id rather be free or close to it than jail.. just saying.. (and no im not saying your tank is jail.. im saying the fish deserve as much freedom as possible and i think 20g and less does'nt quite do that.) | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Quote:
Originally Posted by CoreyCat thanx PinkFloyd.. (which is one of the greatest bands of all time i might say.. along with Led Zepplin, Def Leppard and Tool.) for pointing out that anything is possible.
but yes i would have to say 5g is DEF cruel and 6 fish in a 10g i hope there neon/cardinal tetra.. putting fish in a small aquarium takes away the need for them to roam and to live a happy life. okay you might have live plants and Clean water.. but thats expected for them to live.. not be happy. i have a koi pond.. and your telling me they rather be in a tank?? idk about you but id rather be free or close to it than jail.. just saying.. (and no im not saying your tank is jail.. im saying the fish deserve as much freedom as possible and i think 20g and less does'nt quite do that.) | Come see my fish and tell me if they're happy or not. | |
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January 7th, 2009
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| | Fish Keeper
| Ok, so I keep a pair of Tiger Oscars in a 75gal tank. They have less room than 6 neons would in a 10gal. Am I being cruel? | |
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