pinkfloydpuffer

Also... koi ponds are named so for a reason. Koi can only be kept in the largest of aquaria, and ponds are most suited.

I did my research well before getting my fish. I consulted many members in this and other forums about whether or not they would have sufficient space to be happy, and this was confirmed.

No need to call me cruel for something that you don't know the circumstances of.

Amanda

Corey...on another post you reccommended to start a cycle with fish.
Do you not find that cruel?

CoreyCat

look i kno what its liked to be "locked up" or "cooped up" .. 75g tank is a Great tank to have and i bet its easy to daze at for hours.. depending on the size of your oscars

inuyasha_lover_21

Ok if you want to see cruel look up betta bowls, betta vases, goldfish bowls and the Ipond. Remember most people have listened to petco or petsmart.

Amanda

Which don't even allow the fish to move, and can never cycle.
Talk about cycling with fish.

pinkfloydpuffer

I assure you my fish are not 'cooped up'

Precisely.

CoreyCat

look i kno what its like to be "cooped up" so ofcourse im not gonna wanna do that to any body or animal i know... a 75g tank is a great tank to have and i bet its easy to gaze at for hours..your fortunate to have one. depending on the size of the oscars but from the way you wrote it am i the only one that thinks thats cruel??

CoreyCat

my comp is slow i thought the first one did'nt send.. lol

CoreyCat

Bettas live in puddles in the wild.. read about em
Goldfish.. cruel

pinkfloydpuffer

I think that you should read about them. The myth that bettas live in shallow puddles is told by storeworkers all over the world to unsuspecting customers who then think it's ok to put a betta in a bowl. Ask any bettalover here, they will tell you different. They live in rice paddies in the wild, which are relatively shallow when compared to a lake, but are also very wide and expansive. Not like a bowl.
Never any less than 2.5 gallons, fully cycled, heated, and filtered.

sirdarksol

CoreyCat, what we are talking about is ratio. 10g is likely fine for neons, while it wouldn't be good for, say, red-tailed sharks. A 75g is good for a couple of oscars, while it wouldn't be good for even a single pacu. Likewise, the size of a good tank for a single pacu would be too small for a young child to live in comfortably.

Personally, I think that PinkFloydPuffer is pushing it a bit for her bettas, but, in this case, I consider it less an issue of cruelty and more a risk of feisty bettas hopping dividers. She is aware of this risk, and is keeping an eye out for it. As she can't afford to get new tanks for her individual bettas, we can ask nothing more of her. Likewise, I have a single butterfly koi in a 29g tank right now, and am waiting to make space for a 200g tank for it. I make sure the tank has less than 10ppm nitrates all the time, and interact with the koi as much as I can, keeping him occupied. Nothing more can be asked of me in this matter for the time being.

Personally, I think that the statement in your signature is off-base and somewhat insensitive. Neons, killifish, shrimp, dwarf puffers, guppies, dwarf gourami, etc... can all fit well into tanks under 20g.

inuyasha_lover_21

I know bettas live in rice patty puddles. but would you like to live in cold water while people just look and leave or would you like a nice 2.5+ gal tank to swim around in warm water and get the best care?

CHoffman

Soo..I am I missing something..Isn't a betta a fish too CoreyCat..Also...Goldfish are found naturally in very small amounts of water too..

pinkfloydpuffer

Just to clarify I don't have 6 bettas in a 10g, only 3, and one of them is only there temporarily.

sirdarksol

This is a direct quote from the Petco propaganda machine, which is aimed at selling a large number of bettas and kitschy little bowls as decor, rather than well-kept pets.

As PinkFloydPuffer said, it is a myth. They do not live in mud puddles, they live in rice paddies, which are vegetation-filled tracts of water. They die in mud puddles during the dry season, which is the source of this myth.

Amanda

Take African Cichlids as an example.
In a 55 gal., it is recommended to have between 15 - 20 fish.
Keep in mind that each of these fish are at least 5 in.
But keep any less & they kill each other.
Which is worse?

CHoffman

I think that you have the fish's best interest at heart and that is a awesome...These people are offended because they love their fish and try to do right by them. So when you tell them they are being cruel of course they are going to take offense.

CoreyCat

yalls replys are great and thank you for them..
corycats are small fish yes.. but dont forget that there SHOULD be at least 5 of them because they are a schooling fish for a reason.
and i agree a 100% with darksol on comparing fish to the tank.. i just think a 20g tank should be the smallest (if thats all you can afford or are looking for something small) you should consider. i mean a fish can only roam the tank for a certain amout of times till the highlight of its day starts to depend on feeding time..