CHoffman

Soo..I am I missing something..Isn't a betta a fish too CoreyCat..Also...goldfish are found naturally in very small amounts of water too..

pinkfloydpuffer

Just to clarify I don't have 6 bettas in a 10g, only 3, and one of them is only there temporarily.

sirdarksol

This is a direct quote from the Petco propaganda machine, which is aimed at selling a large number of bettas and kitschy little bowls as decor, rather than well-kept pets.

As PinkFloydPuffer said, it is a myth. They do not live in mud puddles, they live in rice paddies, which are vegetation-filled tracts of water. They die in mud puddles during the dry season, which is the source of this myth.

Amanda

Take African Cichlids as an example.
In a 55 gal., it is recommended to have between 15 - 20 fish.
Keep in mind that each of these fish are at least 5 in.
But keep any less & they kill each other.
Which is worse?

CHoffman

I think that you have the fish's best interest at heart and that is a awesome...These people are offended because they love their fish and try to do right by them. So when you tell them they are being cruel of course they are going to take offense.

CoreyCat

yalls replys are great and thank you for them..
corycats are small fish yes.. but dont forget that there SHOULD be at least 5 of them because they are a schooling fish for a reason.
and i agree a 100% with darksol on comparing fish to the tank.. i just think a 20g tank should be the smallest (if thats all you can afford or are looking for something small) you should consider. i mean a fish can only roam the tank for a certain amout of times till the highlight of its day starts to depend on feeding time..

Amanda

Keep in mind that almost all fish available were bred & born in a tank.
They don't have the ocean in mind, or a large lake.
They are in captivity, keeping an animal in captivity active is something that has to be considered, no matter what type of animal it is.
That is why we add decor, plants, rocks, caves - it keeps them entertained.

inuyasha_lover_21

Of course. I am a huge cory fan. I want to get some albinos and found a 6 pack on aquabid. I plan on getting them in a few weeks. I try to find the best deals and take what I can get

1 free 15 gal tank

$40.00 got me a 15 gal, 29 gal, 10, gal and a 20 gal

Only tank being used is my 29 and that has 3 long fin albino plecos. If I could afford a 100 gal I would have bought that.

where I am going with this reply? I dunno lol!

CoreyCat

choffman is a Great girl..
amanda.. my dad has 2 cichlids with african algea eaters.. and if anything goes in there cichlid or not the 2 cichlids would kill it.. just depends on the personality of the fish.. for instance some jeweled cichlids get along with community fish.. "Rare" but its happened

pinkfloydpuffer

I think you mean schoaling. Which is quite different.
And as I said, I discussed this with a member who has kept many many species of cories for many years. And I had 3 at first, but one died. The remaining two are doing just fine, and will swim about and play like happy cories do.

A fish can only roam a tank of any size a certain amount of time before they get bored. That's why I rearrange the decor in my tanks every once in a while (esp. for my puffers) so that they don't get bored.

You are perfectly entitled to the opinion that you only want to keep larger than 20 gallon aquariums. However, calling people cruel because they have smaller aquariums is in very bad taste in my opinion.

CoreyCat

great point amanda about fish being in captivity all there lives.. so wouldnt it make them happy beyond measures for them to be let loose into a 55g tank or larger?

Amanda

African cichlids are best kept in overcrowded groups. That is common knowledge.
Jewels are NOT community fish, as they can get very aggressive; especially during breeding.

Amanda

omg.
I can't handle this thread anymore.
It's driving me CRAZY.
Corey - you're trying to put a 3in. puffer in a 55 gal. tank.
Please - do some research before you make a post.

pinkfloydpuffer

You can't just throw out a number and say that all fish will be happy in there. Some fish actually wouldn't do well in such a large aquarium, and many would still be way too crowded. It's a ratio thing, not just a set number.

pinkfloydpuffer

100% agree

Or, in the case of a dwarf puffer, a 1" puffer in a 55 gallon tank. You wouldn't be able to ever find the little thing, lol.

And the fact is, yes, keeping fish in aquariums will cause them to have less space than in the wild. It's a fact of fishkeeping that we have to face. So, taken from that perspective, we are all cruel for keeping fish at all.

CHoffman

I do understand where your comming from CoreyCat ..It gives me great joy to give my betta a home in a 10 gallon tank when most are in bowls..Knowing that he his living a good life compared to what he had .All of my tanks are understocked...But if nobody kept fish they would ALL be in the wild living free....We as fish lovers just do the best we can to provide them with as much room and happiness as we can...We follow the min. tank size sometimes bigger and follow experts advice to keep them healthy and happy. While wild fish have a free life they also have to fight other fish and hunt for food...Where in a tank they get handed nice frozen, live and flake food..As fish keepers were all just doing the best we can.

CoreyCat

PinkFloyd.. you again.. lol
i apoligize if the term cruel has offended anyone.. like pinkfloyd said its just my opinion..
and about the cories.. do you expect them to have there head down and show signs of depression?? would you rather have a friend? or a family? try to not think of what you think is right for them but more of what you would like if you were them...

pinkfloydpuffer

As I've said many times before, I've consulted many other long-time cory keepers about this. And they do have a friend.
And don't mock the idea of fish showing depression, it definitely happens.

Nick G

I keep 4 Corys. They don't seem overly concerned that theres 4 of them and not 5.

CoreyCat

amanda & Pinkfloyd... where were yall when i said it depended on the fish
so
Please - do some reading before you start typing

Amanda

This thread is not going in a good direction.

pinkfloydpuffer

Of course it depends on the fish. And that is why we say that you cannot apply a blanket statement that anything 20g and under is cruel. Because it depends on the fish

docjr03

Alright, I'll bite- Corey has purely posted this to stir the pot. Don't give in. Let the post die.

pinkfloydpuffer

Agreed with both, I have said all I need to say, and will post nothing more here.

CHoffman

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion..I guess we should be happy that were not disagreeing with CoryCat about a Oscar in a 10 gallon, Somone trying to convince us that big fish are fine in small tanks, like so many members have done..lol.....He's telling us to put fish in bigger tanks...Not a bad suggestion or idea..It's not cruel to have certain fish in 5 or 10 gallon tanks..or a Betta in a 2.5 for that matter...I'm just thankfull that were not fighting the other battle.

CoreyCat

docjr.. that was highly unnecessary.. for someone to have not posted anything this whole convesation then to put me down like that. me,amanda, and pink were clearly just debating and its up to us whether or not it was getting out of control.
and my intentions were CLEARLY NOT TO STIR up anything. clearly on opinion

CoreyCat

but because 20g and less opinion offends closeminded people.. ill take it off

Nick G

Yeah, but people are obviously going to be offended if you say 20gal and under tanks are cruel. It might be your opinion but it's going to offend people. If I thought it was cruel to keep fish in tanks smaller than 75gal,(which I don't),I wouldn't post it on the site as not everyone wants a tank that big. Just not a good idea.........

Nick G

And now you call them closeminded!

inuyasha_lover_21

This thread is going into the wrong direction. I am offended about how you look at other people as being "closeminded". So if I say that all pitbull owners are drug delaers is that true? Or are most pitbull owners friendly and loving?

I am done with this thread