CHoffman

I treated Mr. Gourami with Funus Eliminator last night. This morning and he has more white balls on him..What the heck..Why would he be getting worse..I know it's bothering him because he just swims back and forth along the back wall...Plus two new white balls have formed..One beside his mouth and One beside his gill. I took pics so you guys could see what I'm dealing with. The last pic you can see the one beside his gill..What do I do??

Sorry the pics aren't great but he is swimming fast.

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Lucy

Are you sure it's a fungus?
I'm not that great at diagnosing, but in the last pic it looks more like a bump on him.

CHoffman

I looked at the pic again..I see the bump that your talking about but that's not it...I didn't really notice that bump..I hope its normal..lol..These are tiny white balls..Like the ones on his dorsal fin..The white ball by his gill is up high and you can barley see it.

k19

does any other fish fight with him
i had the same problem with my moonlight because my other moonlights were bitting it

CHoffman

no..He's by himself right now because I'm treating him..I've only had him a short bit and he came from the LFS like this..Just not as bad.

sirdarksol

Sometimes things do get worse before they get better. Not sure, though, how long you want to give the meds to work.
Keep up the medication schedule, for sure, and keep an eye on him.

Does he seem to be having any problems swimming? Does he seem to be in generally good health (other than the white fuzzies?) The good news about fungus on the fins is that they are not vital organs, which means he's got a good chance of surviving if you can diagnose/treat the fungus before it gets to the body proper.

catbtony

Sounds like you need to give the meds more time to do their job-but its hard to wait........good luck

CHoffman

He isn't having any trouble swimming..He has gotton more though on his body..He is rubbing up against the wires to the heater and airpump though like he itches or something..Poor guy..He doesn't have a very good appetitie either...This Funugs Eliminater says I can give a second dose after 4 days..So I can't even do water changes I don't think..Does Ick look like that or is for sure a fungus..I've never had to deal with a sick fish so I'm unsure. I really hate to wait 4 days to see if he's better..He looks miserable swimming all over and rubbing on things. I have the fungus guard and salt too..I just hate to see him sick..

Mike19

what med are you using?

CHoffman

Fungus Eliminator

Mike19

on the product dose it say remove carbon, if so have you remembered to take it out if you have carbon in your filter.


also, was there originally gold lines on your gourami or was it always "faded" looking. (assuming you have two males)

CHoffman

I don't use carbon in my filters. But thanks for checking.

shih-tzu mom

Choffman;- i found when i treated one fish for a fungas these little things came out-worms lol check google images and see if you see anything that resmbles it. but one med has a way of bringing out other things lol., and i not sure if you can use salt on your fish but it would be worth a thought. tha one i'm treating now has worms starting to show up now and at first i thought it was a fungas. hope this helps you bella

fishlover78

salt is mstly used for golfish, mollies and guppies. it irritates a ton of other fish. hmm, this is a tough one, his immune system has been weakened by the fungus and he is fighting it, because he has a weakened system he started with ICH because it found a weak host?

wxohio88

Well the good thing is that you can diagnosis this if the problem arises again. Is all part of the game. Good Luck on the treatment and keep us informed. Try to get some better pictures.

CHoffman

I've ruled out ICH..I'm certain it's a fungus. The Fungus Eliminator I used treats for 4 days. If he's not showing any improvements by tomorrow night I'll do a 50% waterchange and treat with something else. I'm just going to watch him closely and see what happens. I tried to get better pics but He's swimming so fast..

GouramiGirl1221

Definitely don't use salt...gouramis don't respond well to it at all. Sorry I can't help you with the meds or anything, just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents about that. I hope he gets better soon!

soldieroffortune1974

I have used Fungus Eliminator and didn't have very satisfactory results. If it doesn't work well I would try Sulfathiazole,it cleared the fungus on my Pleco quite effectively;then again Gouramis and Plecos are quite different.

Take a look here and see what can help: Medications-ingredients-disease treated

Good luck

shih-tzu mom

Choffman-Jungle makes a good funga elimanater, check it out. bella

Mike19

isn't that what she is currently using.

shih-tzu mom

Mike19- all her posts say's it is fungas elimanater-not who it's made by lol. bella

Mike19

im pretty sure it was mentioned in another thread then again i read so much i maybe confused.

CHoffman

Yes..Fungus Eliminator by Jungle is what I'm using..It was mentioned in another thread...Good memory Mike ..

CHoffman

I'm not having very good luck with it either. Thanks for the link SOF.

catbtony

Sometimes you will get a secondary bacterial infection, you can sometimes tell if the fuzzy stop looking fuzzy.As with any skin opening and disruption of the slime coat you can get body fluid loss that will weaken the fish even more.
Salt will help slow this fluid loss regulating their osmosis and reduce stress; a good salt dip could help:
3-4oz salt to 1 gal of water (temp and pH same as his current water)
Dip/bath for 15-30 min. remove fish at any sign of distress
start 50% water change to reduce the number of fungus spores in your tank too. Good luck

aecw

I just treated two of my gouramis (a snakeskin and an opaline) who each had a stubborn skin fungus by raising the temp of their "hospital tank" to 90 degrees and adding 1 tsp of salt a day for 10 days - they both did fine and after a week I was able to move them back to their big tank. both are currently doing great and it's been a couple of weeks now. My trusted fish guy did say it was important to slowly raise the salt - that often people add it all at once and the results aren't good.
Good Luck

shih-tzu mom

Choffman,Hi: i didn't know for sure if you could use salt but i see, it is being recommend so i hope that will help your little guy or girl, i would just use a little less if you have any doubts, about it good luck bella

Lucy

90F is awfully high. I'd be very wary of raising the temps to that degree especially since we're not exactly sure what CHoffman is dealing with.

Perhaps these links will help better identify whats going on:
Pictures of Fish Diseases

Disease Profiles

Descriptions of Various Fish Diseases

CHoffman

Thank you for the links Lucy..I didn't really see anything that I could say "YES, that's it"..I got some better pics..It's only on his top fin and a couple of places on his body..You'll only be able to see the ones on his top fin...They are just tiny white balls all along his fin and then a few scattered on his body.

I don't know if everyone can do this but when I clicked on the pic it shows a bigger pic..Then if I click on the bigger pic it makes another pic and I can zoom in and out on it.

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sirdarksol

This is not true. Salt will speed fluid loss, thanks to osmosis. What happens is that the salt outside of the fishes' cells causes osmosis to try to even out water concentration, pulling water from the cells.
This is the biggest reason that many people prefer to save salt as a last-ditch remedy. It's really rough on fishes' bodies.

This is not to say that there isn't a time and place for salt dips, but meds are generally less harsh than salt.

As far as the temp goes, I agree that 90 is pretty high, and if we were looking at a fungus, it would likely just speed things along.