shih-tzu mom

I have been treating my Oranda-goldfish with jungle-all-in-one parisite, and have now run out of it-So, the big question is- i have 'Clout' and 'Fluke' Tabs-on hand. So what to use and i'm not sure what kind of parisites but see my post Possible Problem.- now i don't know what kind of worm's he has but all signs are pointing to some sort of worms- now the 'Clout say's not for bottom feeders and the other being Fluke treats a few diff; type of worms and say's nothing regarding bottom feeders-So big question What to use as 2-days treatment is not enough, the fish has been on bottom sleeping since the first of Oct; and wakes to eat and i have to tap on glass to wake him. so this, is not normal. So what to do please someone answer with some good advice please as this little guy has to be treated. his waste is white and a little stringy, not like his buddies. so please help. I am tired of all these worms on fish , i am changing %50. daily and have been since purchase in oct; and readings are ammonia -0.25 before and after water change-prime-used-nitrite-0 nitrate-20-and p.h.-7.5 bella

Shawnie

hi bella....after all thats been put into their tank, have you thought about just doing daily 50% water changes with prime and leave it be for a bit? the tank isnt ever going to cycle and the ammonia has got to be playin some part in all your issues...soldieroffortune made a list somewhere on fishlore of all kinds of meds...maybe you can search his threads to find it or pm him for it!

shih-tzu mom

Shawnie; this is 2-different fish in another tank, and they have been treated 2-days with jungle all-in-one for parasites, but ran out, and above post say's i'm doing 50.% water changes daily and have been simce i purchased these 2-in oct- and they are from Pj's pet shop. bella

soldieroffortune1974

Here's the thread on Meds: Medications-ingredients-disease treated

For goldfish,I would use a salt tonic. 1 tsp/gallon and increase 1 tsp/gallon every 2 days until you see a definite imorovement.If it is some type of worm,the salt will force it out of the fish's body/gills,the same with most parasites.

I will look up the other meds for possible parasites,but you can search the link I gave you.

gremlin

I agree with the salt bath for now. I'm not sure what would make the poop be white, other than maybe he is not getting enough nutrition. The ammonia in the tank (even with 50 % water changes) could be affecting him. Maybe raise the temp a bit too, sometimes if they are fighting off some parasite or infection, a little bit warmer water can help. I would say maybe 74 degrees farenheit. Bring up the temp gradually though. We don't want to send the poor guy into shock from a drastic water temp change.

shih-tzu mom

Thanks, Gremlin-my house is very hot and their temp is about 73-74 now without a heater and i scared of salt- in oranda goldfish-so what to do. bella

shih-tzu mom

SOF; i really don't know what he has got and the waste is white and stringy and he is on the bottom, and sleeps all day, i have to tap to feed and his diet is varied and good quality food and water changes and vacum daily and he's been like this since purchase so i am kind of guessing. and i read on another site if using salt you have to increase as doing water changes daily remove's a certain % in the water.And this is a diff; fish from another yet LFS. bella

gremlin

A little bit of salt won't hurt. What you could do is take a bit of your tank water out and put it in another tank. Say about one gallon worth. Put about a 1/2 tsp salt in and stir it around until it is dissolved. Don't use table salt (it is iodized and not the same as pond salt). Gently net your goldie and dip him in the salt bath. Let him sit in the salt bath while you count to 30, then put him back in his tank. Do this every morning and every evening. You can gradually increase the time he spends in the salt bath - I would say add no more than 30 seconds each time - so 30 seconds the first morning, then 30 seconds the first evening, 60 seconds the second morning, 60 seconds the second evening, 90 seconds (1 1/2 minutes) the third morning, 2 minutes the third evening, 2 1/2 minutes the fourth morning, 3 minutes the fourth evening, etc. until he is spending about 5 minutes in his salt bath each morning and evening. If there is still no improvement, you can increase the amount of salt by 1/4 to 1/2 tsp with 2 or 3 days in between increases. Don't go over 1 tbsp per gallon. It won't hurt, but it is not needed. If the salt bath is going to help, then it should be helping by the time you reach 5 minutes in the 1 tbsp per gallon.

capekate

Here is a link for salt baths for Goldfish and from this link you can look into other advice on the gold fish. Hope it helps.

http://www.goldfish-emergency.com/vi...php?page_id=14

gremlin

Excellent web site

shih-tzu mom

Well, i added some salt-1/4 teaspoon until morning and then i will begin his dip bath in salt and out of salt and sure hope he perks up a little even if it's only to eat lol. thank bella

capekate

Bella, did you get a chance to look at the link I included in the above post? It is full of all kinds of information on Gold fish that may help and includes the instructions on the salt bath.

shih-tzu mom

Capekate;-yes, i did look at the link and it doe's have very good info-and surprizingly enough 8-out of 10-goldfish die with the salt treatment on most sites i go too, so that is why i am leary on salt lol thanks for the link bella

shih-tzu mom

A little update this morning-i'm seeing a few white things that look like worms on his wen and 1-on his body-he was awake this moring when i got up, so i'm thinking he doe's have worms and the thing is -what kind- i know there are fish lice in goldies i had a good site and i can't find it again-to identify the worms.Need help to identify these things please help bella

capekate

With that kind of statistic.. I can see why you would want to research it further before trying the salt.

capekate

You can try this link below. It has information on anchor worms when you click on it in the diagnostic chart. Hope it helps.

http://www.goldfishinfo.com/identify.htm

soldieroffortune1974

That is fairly high. I am only guessing,but with stats that high,I would assume the people adding salt or giving salt baths to their goldies is A) using way too much salt B) leaving them in the salt bath way too long C) just dunked the fish in too much salt too fast D) other's waited too long before doing anything about it.

For 8 out of 10 goldies to die from being in their NATURAL environment is unthinkable.To clarify natural,I would say goldfish (even Oranda goldies) are naturally found in everything from muddy puddles in the middle of the dirt road,to estuaries next to the ocean,from pure rain runoff to high brackish content.BUT if you take a goldie that has been used to freshwater,then just dunk him in saline solutes of 1.02,yeah,you'll get a negative response everytime.

Sorry,not trying to start a debate,but I firmly believe that used correctly salt tonics and salt baths can be highly beneficial.

catbtony

I am old school and I also pratice preventive care methods-I rarely if ever have to medicate my fish and if I do I use salt or oral medication.

It almost sounds like an over treatment and side effect from medications
Salt dip/baths work if/when used correctly
Without the correct Dx you can't give the right Tx
good luck

shih-tzu mom

Capekate that is it -i know what anchor worm's look like but this guy's don't look like anchor worm lol i don't know what it is??, that's the problem i think i could identifiy anchor worm in my sleep i just forwarded some pic's to Shawnie so if we were sucessful[sp] we will have some pic's to help identifiy and i did use the salt last night and this morning only a very little bit. He was awake this morning and he's usually sleeping when i wake ,so maybe a slight improvement bella.

shih-tzu mom

Sorry, Capekate these things look like little bumps on his wen and a couple on his body the ones on the wen are a little curly lol bella

shih-tzu mom

Little update on aka-Top-Hat-Topeze he seems to be moving a little more today, sooo mabe the salt is working lol will wait until tomorrow to know for sure and it is bringing these parasites out. thanks bella

soldieroffortune1974

Glad to see some improvement.Hopefully he/she gets better.Good luck

shih-tzu mom

Thanks, SOF, Now will i have to treat with a med lol or will the salt get rid of whatever type of worm they are ? bella

soldieroffortune1974

How much salt are you using? The salt by itself will kill the worms,after a little time.

Are you giving him a salt bath? or putting it in the aquarium?

The salt bath will clear him up,but wont do much for any in the aquarium. The salt in the aquarium will clear him up,then eventually kill all the worms in the aquarium,but that will take time.

shih-tzu mom

SOF; i am doing both as i figure the other fish must be infected as well so i'm doing both and i'm using 1-teaspoon in the aquarium and 1/4 tsp; in the bath and will gradually increase as per instructions, when i put him in the bath only for a few 30 sec; i take him out and put in freah untreated water and then in aquarium. bella

soldieroffortune1974

Good,good good. Glad to see it's helping,keep us posted on his progress.

shih-tzu mom

SOF, will do and thanks again i really hope this works as i don't like meds lol bella

capekate

Great news Bella, any improvement is a great improvement at this point.
I wish your little one the best of luck.

gremlin

That's why I start with such a small amount of salt and increase it slowly. I think for the goldfish that are sold in pet stores they don't need as high of a concentration of the salt as "wild" goldfish. Pet store goldfish have been bred and raised in fresh water for so long, I'm not sure they would survive in a lot of the conditions that their "wild" cousins could.

shih-tzu mom

Gremlin-i agree, and i think most of them are sick when you get them bella