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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Cycling

Still cycling my 10 gallon..but I'm confused about something. So I'm adding the 3 drops of ammonia a day because I have nitrite readings now..It says in the instructions for cycling with ammonia that once you have nitrate reading your tank is ready after a water change..Does that mean I don't have to wait for the nitrites to be 0??..I'm still gettin HIGH reading of ammonia and 1 for Nitrite..Or do I wait for both these to be 0..Or will they ever be 0 since I'm adding ammonia??..Just confused on what to do next. Thanks guys...FYI I did put in established gravel and was getting the nitrite levels on day 1.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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This quote is from the instructions given here:

Ammonia instructions for a fishless cycle

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"Add Daily" Method

I call this the "Add Daily" method because that is what you do. The start is exactly like the other method. To begin, you add enough ammonia to raise the level to 5 or 6 PPM. The difference is that the next day and each day thereafter you add the same amount. This continues until the ammonia drops to zero. This will take much longer than the other method because of the massive amount of ammonia the tank will initially contain. It generally takes about 3 days before any bacteria begin to form and you are able to notice even a small change in the color of your tests. In the other method, on the 3rd day there will still only be about 5 to 6 ppm of ammonia in the tank. With the "Add Daily" method, there will be approximately 15 to 18 ppm on the 3rd day so you need a lot of bacteria to process all of that.

Once the ammonia finally drops back to near zero, cut the amount of ammonia you are adding daily in half. That will still be plenty to keep the bacteria already developed fed. Continue to add the ammonia daily and test for nitrites. Once the nitrite drops back to zero, do your big water change and add your fish.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Hmmm..So since I've only been adding 3 drops can I bump it back up to the 10 I was using....My ammonia test is showing 8 which is the highest it goes..So not sure how much I have in there right now...So really just need to wait untill everything but nitrates is back to 0
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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Still cycling my 10 gallon..but I'm confused about something. So I'm adding the 3 drops of ammonia a day because I have Nitrite readings now..It says in the instructions for cycling with ammonia that once you have Nitrate reading your tank is ready after a water change..Does that mean I don't have to wait for the nitrites to be 0??..I'm still gettin HIGH reading of ammonia and 1 for Nitrite..Or do I wait for both these to be 0..Or will they ever be 0 since I'm adding ammonia??..Just confused on what to do next. Thanks guys...FYI I did put in established gravel and was getting the nitrite levels on day 1.
The method you are using will take some time to complete.
I would stop adding ammonia now and test every 2nd day, once the ammonia falls to 0-0.5 add enough ammonia to bring the reading back to 2ppm. Once the bacteria uses 2ppm of ammonia within a 12hr period then start checking for nitrites ( you still need to bring the ammonia level up to 2ppm each day ).
Once you get a reading of 0 for ammonia and nitrite 12hrs after adding the ammonia, the tank is cycled. do a 100% WC and stock within 48hrs
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Is your other tank cycled? If so you can take some filter media and put it in the filter of the new tank, it will help speed the cycle up bacteria wise.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
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The method you are using will take some time to complete.
I would stop adding ammonia now and test every 2nd day, once the ammonia falls to 0-0.5 add enough ammonia to bring the reading back to 2ppm. Once the bacteria uses 2ppm of ammonia within a 12hr period then start checking for nitrites ( you still need to bring the ammonia level up to 2ppm each day ).
Once you get a reading of 0 for ammonia and nitrite 12hrs after adding the ammonia, the tank is cycled. do a 100% WC and stock within 48hrs
Ok..Thank you..I was thinking that if I keep adding ammonia at that rate by the tank did actually cycle I would have enough good bacteria to take over the world..lol....Thanks..Peterpiper. I'm only going to have 1 small fish in there so the load won't be too bad. The bacteria might have eaten him.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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Is your other tank cycled? If so you can take some filter media and put it in the filter of the new tank, it will help speed the cycle up bacteria wise.
Yup it is cycled..That's where I got the gravel from.. It was suggested the the gravel would do good in the filter too..So I took more gravel out of the cycled tank and put it in the filter..lol..Just trying to get this moving...I'm so impatient..I guess I never new that before..You would think I would have noticed with kids 18 months apart.lol.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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Hmmm..So since I've only been adding 3 drops can I bump it back up to the 10 I was using....My ammonia test is showing 8 which is the highest it goes..So not sure how much I have in there right now...So really just need to wait untill everything but nitrates is back to 0
If you think your ammonia is off the charts and you want to know what the readings are you can do the following, but you need one of the liquid test kits.
If the test kit says to put 10ml of tank water in the tub, only put 5ml in and top it to the 10ml mark with RO or Distilled water and test as per directions.
Now if the test shows 7ppm, your true reading will be 14ppm.. ie as you tested 50% tank water, the reading will be 50%
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
YIKES..just check on the non cycled tank..The temp is way high...The heater is going nuts...My temp sticker thing on the front of the tank is reading 86 but thats as high as it will go...If it gets too hot will it kill my good bacteria
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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What I did at the same exact point of the fishless cycle was to keep the ammonia and nitrite levels down with water changes and add only when they went to 0. If they remain off the charts for too long the cycle might come to a halt and slow things down a lot because bacteria becomes overwhelmed by so much food...

and regarding the other tank... I'd just disconnect the heater and bring the temps down... so hot is bad for the fish and the oxygen in the water becomes depleted.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
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If you think your ammonia is off the charts and you want to know what the readings are you can do the following, but you need one of the liquid test kits.
If the test kit says to put 10ml of tank water in the tub, only put 5ml in and top it to the 10ml mark with RO or Distilled water and test as per directions.
Now if the test shows 7ppm, your true reading will be 14ppm.. ie as you tested 50% tank water, the reading will be 50%
Good advice..Thanks..I use API master test kit so I do use liquid. It takes 5 ml..so I'll just fill it half way..But I have now RO or distilled water..lol..used it all. .I'll have to get some more. But still great piece of info.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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What I did at the same exact point of the fishless cycle was to keep the ammonia and nitrite levels down with water changes and add only when they went to 0. If they remain off the charts for too long the cycle might come to a halt and slow things down a lot because bacteria becomes overwhelmed by so much food...

and regarding the other tank... I'd just disconnect the heater and bring the temps down... so hot is bad for the fish and the oxygen in the water becomes depleted.
My cycled tank is the one with my fish in it and it is fine...My non cycled tank's heater is broke..lol..No fishes in it..Just water and bacteria..ohh and ammonia and nitrites..lol..and a broken heater..lol..But thank you, good advise if there were fishes in there..They would be cooking.

Is it too hot for the bacteria though..I would hate to kill all of it since I'm trying to build it up?

Last edited by CHoffman; November 30th, 2008 at 08:45 PM.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Ok....I unpluged the heater..If that was the wrong thing to do let me know..I'll keep a close eye on it..I know if it gets to cold the bacteria will die. I'l get a new heater tomorrow.
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Old November 30th, 2008  
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If its to hot, 32c or higher then the bacteria will slow down and start to die.
You should be ok for 24-48 hrs before your bacteria start to die off.
When your cycling keep the temp at 30c
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