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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
I'm suffering, please give me a solution

Good day all

First of all, I want to thank every one of you in this wonderful & amazing Forum. Honestly, you should be thanked for all the efforts and the support you give to help and assist us "Newbie" in this hobby.

As it's my first post, I'll introduce myself to you, if you never mind:

Saleh from the Middle East – KSA "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia", a Banker working with HSBC group as a Credit Analyst.

Being interested in Tropical fish, visiting all the local fish stores and enjoying watching there aquariums, I decided to start up my own aquarium, WOW. But the mane problem we are facing her in KSA that we don’t have any experts in fish keeping, even the owners and the workers in the pets shops, all of the worker are a cheap labor came from India and mostly from Bangladesh without any experience in this field. Also here we can't find special shops for fish, only six pet shops with a small fish sections. How much poor we are.

So, I searched the market to find a suitable and a good looking aquarium "Fresh water tank" and I ends up with a 55 US Gallons with an under gravel filter along with a power head attached to it to pump the water from the bottom of the aquarium to a long box attached on top of the aquarium filed with a special kind of cotton/fiber "they call it filter" with ceramic rings and a small carbon bag to enable the water to go thru the above mentioned and falls back into the aquarium water from the another said. After that, I put some decoration with a plastic plants, filled it with water, added a water conditioner and ran it for three full days "72 hours", I weren't aware of the nitrogen cycle or the fishless water cycling nether the ammonia , nitrite, nitrate, GH and KH measurement . Unfortunately, I bought so many fish and I put them into the tank, the fish are:

- Around 40 Guppies.
- 10 Dwarf Gourami.
- 10 neon tetra.
- 10 Zebra Danio.
- 2 red tail shark.
- 2 Rainbow Shark.
- 2 Pleco (3" each).
- 2 Corydoras Catfish.
- 8 XL Mollies.
- 3 Platy.
- 5 Angelfish (3 small & 2 medium).
- 5 Barbs.

Total of 99 fish, OMG!!!! And it's 15 days old, as of today's date.

Now I'll come to the problems I'm facing:

1. Cloudy white/yellow water.
2. Ammonia measurement 3.0 mg/l (Tetra test NH3/NH4 "Total Ammonia").
3. Foamy water surface (as like a shampoo has been added to it!!!).

I lost 8 fish till today. Last week I made 60% water change and I used anti cloudy water chemical, but after 4 days, the water returned cloudy and more foamy.

Unfortunately, I didn't search for setting up a freshwater aquarium before starting my own (I thought it will be like 1+1=2) and I were unlucky because I didn't know about this amazing forum before all of that major problems I had.

For now, I don't know if my tank is cycled or not, can it be safe for my fish or not, can I get rid of that cloudy and foamy water, can my fish survive into it or NOT ?

Please, I & my fishes are seeking your help and support to give them a better, clear and healthy environment. And I need your guidance how to cycle the water into my take with this amount of fishes to have the bacteria and to be a better place for my fishes. I believe that it's a huge community but I'm waiting your advice.


Finally, I want to apologize to all of you for the long post I wrote "I know that it was boring to most of you".

Appreciate you support in advance.



Respectfully,


SALEH.
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Welcome to FishLore!

Well, aside from probably not being cycled, your tank is severely overstocked. The general rule of thumb is 1" of adult size fish per gallon of water.

Also, your Dwarf Gourami's will probably start fighting. They are very territorial and with so many, they will probably be unable to set up there own territory. I think you will also have compatibility issues with some of your other fish.

Cloudy water is usually the result of a bacteria bloom. It is normal during cycling to develop cloudy water during the ammonia phase and the nitrite phase.

My best advice to you would be to return enough fish to the fish store to get you to the proper stocking levels. Also, you will need to do daily 50% water changes until your tank fully cycles. If you can get a water condition called "Prime", it will detoxify the ammonia for a 24 hour period until your next water change.

Good luck.
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
you will have to get rid of 3 of the 4 rainbow/red tailed sharks as they will fight to the death.
also the 2 plecos are probably common and will both outgrow your tank so you should take them back too.
the mollies and platies and guppies will reproduce quickly and then you will have even more fish so i suggest getting rid of them too.
the angelfish get pretty big but i have zero experience with them other then what ive read off here. once full grown they will eat the neon tetras probably and they get pretty big so maybe when 2 of them pair off you could get rid of the other 3.
anyways this will get you down to a more manageable number of fish in your tank at least!
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Moderator
 
Hi SALEH welcome to Fish Lore.

I'm really sorry you've lost fish, I know how hard that can be.

Most of us started out knowing little or nothing, so don't feel alone in this or feel you're boring us. We love fish and are happy to try and help you.

No matter how hard we try, some things just will not work. Along with John's good advice, it would be advisable to return some or all of the fish and go a fish less cycle. It'll be easier on you and no fish will be harmed.

If you decide to cycle with fish, look up the profiles of your fish for their size, compatabilty and requirements. Make a list and narrow it down to a managable amount and do daily water changes as already suggested.

Good luck, let us know how you're doing.
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SALEH View Post
Good day all

First of all, I want to thank every one of you in this wonderful & amazing Forum. Honestly, you should be thanked for all the efforts and the support you give to help and assist us "Newbie" in this hobby.

As it's my first post, I'll introduce myself to you, if you never mind:

Saleh from the Middle East – KSA "Kingdom of Saudi Arabia", a Banker working with HSBC group as a Credit Analyst.

Being interested in Tropical fish, visiting all the local fish stores and enjoying watching there aquariums, I decided to start up my own aquarium, WOW. But the mane problem we are facing her in KSA that we don’t have any experts in fish keeping, even the owners and the workers in the pets shops, all of the worker are a cheap labor came from India and mostly from Bangladesh without any experience in this field. Also here we can't find special shops for fish, only six pet shops with a small fish sections. How much poor we are.

So, I searched the market to find a suitable and a good looking aquarium "Fresh water tank" and I ends up with a 55 US Gallons with an under gravel filter along with a power head attached to it to pump the water from the bottom of the aquarium to a long box attached on top of the aquarium filed with a special kind of cotton/fiber "they call it filter" with ceramic rings and a small carbon bag to enable the water to go thru the above mentioned and falls back into the aquarium water from the another said. After that, I put some decoration with a plastic plants, filled it with water, added a water conditioner and ran it for three full days "72 hours", I weren't aware of the Nitrogen cycle or the fishless water cycling nether the Ammonia , Nitrite, Nitrate, GH and KH measurement . Unfortunately, I bought so many fish and I put them into the tank, the fish are:

- Around 40 Guppies.
- 10 Dwarf Gourami.
- 10 Neon Tetra.
- 10 Zebra Danio.
- 2 Red Tail Shark.
- 2 Rainbow Shark.
- 2 Pleco (3" each).
- 2 Corydoras Catfish.
- 8 XL Mollies.
- 3 Platy.
- 5 Angelfish (3 small & 2 medium).
- 5 Barbs.

Total of 99 fish, OMG!!!! And it's 15 days old, as of today's date.

Now I'll come to the problems I'm facing:

1. Cloudy white/yellow water.
2. Ammonia measurement 3.0 mg/l (Tetra test NH3/NH4 "Total Ammonia").
3. Foamy water surface (as like a shampoo has been added to it!!!).

I lost 8 fish till today. Last week I made 60% water change and I used anti cloudy water chemical, but after 4 days, the water returned cloudy and more foamy.

Unfortunately, I didn't search for setting up a freshwater aquarium before starting my own (I thought it will be like 1+1=2) and I were unlucky because I didn't know about this amazing forum before all of that major problems I had.

For now, I don't know if my tank is cycled or not, can it be safe for my fish or not, can I get rid of that cloudy and foamy water, can my fish survive into it or NOT ?

Please, I & my fishes are seeking your help and support to give them a better, clear and healthy environment. And I need your guidance how to cycle the water into my take with this amount of fishes to have the bacteria and to be a better place for my fishes. I believe that it's a huge community but I'm waiting your advice.


Finally, I want to apologize to all of you for the long post I wrote "I know that it was boring to most of you".

Appreciate you support in advance.



Respectfully,


SALEH.
welcome to fishlore!! JD's advice is right on key....returning fish to compensate for the overstocked and daily changes with prime will get you through your cycled...everyone will have advice on what to return and what to keep but you can make that decision on your own preference to what you care for in a final community tank...this link will help you with size and reccomendations for fish http://www.fishlore.com/freshwaterfish.htm goodluck Saleh!!
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hello Saleh and welcome!

Yes, the biggest problem right ow is the amount of fish you have... a 55 gallon could handle around 22 small fishes... (1 inch of fish per gallon of water).

As mentioned before, you could probably keep 2 guramis in that tank, because they will start fighting, also if you plan on keeping guppies then only keep the males... otherwise they will reproduce A LOT.

Doing daily 50% water changes and returning a lot of the fish will help you quite a lot. The cycle will take like a month and unless you do the water changes and return most of the fish, you will probably end up losing most of them. Good luck!
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Don't worry about guppy fry, the angelfish or gouramis will take care of those.
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Old November 12th, 2008  
Fish Keeper
 
Ok, First welcome to fishlore,
The tank , as others have said is very overstocked, and due to the tank not being cycled the fish are dieing from ammonia poisoning. Even if the tank was cycled, with this amount of overstocking you would have big problems.
I would do the following if I was in this situation
1, Return the fish
2, As the tank already has a high reading for ammonia, leave the water in the tank, keep the filter and heater running. The ammonia in the tank will get the cycle going. DO NOT DO ANY WATER CHANGES DURING THIS CYCLE.
3, Once you get a reading of 0 for ammonia & nitrite, do a water change so that the nitrates are less than 20.
4, Add 4-6 small fish, then wait 3 weeks before adding more fish ( max of 3 fish every 3 weeks ) This will give the bacteria time to adjust to the increased bio load.
Good luck!
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Old November 15th, 2008  
Fish Lore Newbie
 
Appreciating all of you guys, thank you very much. For now, I'll start to do 50% DWC and I'll go now to look for Prime in our LPS, hopefully I'll find it or I have to order it on-line, but I'll do my best to return all of the fishes and start a fish less cycle.

I'll update you accordingly.


Regards,

SALEH

PS: Sorry for the quick post, I'm in hurry, still @ office.
SALEH is offline  
Old November 15th, 2008  
Moderator
 
Thanks for the update. If you can't find Prime, Stress Coat+ and I beleive AmQuel will also work to detoxify ammonia for 24 hrs.
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