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Old March 1st, 2008  
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Hiya Hatchet
ok i've purchased a master test kit Nutrafin mini master (thats the only one they had)so i'll do a test after the football, this is my final stock wish list lol yeah right
6xJulii's(wifes names Julie gotta keep her interested plus I like em)same species your sound advice
8xCardinals
3xDwarf Gouramis 1 male 2 female Again sound advice
2x Hatchets or 3 Male Guppies or 2 Scissor Tails
Sounds good?Just an idea could I drop 1 or 2 from 1 of the schools and add a dwarf Ram?
I am starting to feel the symptoms of MTS inevitable me thinks found myself sizing up the other side of my conservatory.. thinking "hmmm yes I could fit a nice 4 foot in there yes a couple of Oscars with a Red Tail Shark and maybe a Pleco yeah that would look great now how do I get Julie onside?"
What do you think of my stock wish list always grateful
oh excellent idea you've put to Rose shes a fountain of knowledge espiecially when it comes to Bettas

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Old March 1st, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

Yeah, Rose is probably the most knowledgeable member of this forum.

Hatchets need to be kept in at least 6 - so drop that idea. I think you should just go with the Julii's, 6 Cardinals and the Dwarf gouramis. Otherwise you'd overstock your tank!

A conservatory isn't a great place for a tank because the extra light will really promote algae growth. It's a bad idea to have a tank in direct sunlight. Shame, though!

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Old March 1st, 2008  
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I've got blinds behind my tank and no sunlight comes through the roof so hopefully it should be okay
OK heres the results of my new test
Temp 25.5 Deg C
ph 8
Ammonia 0
Nitrite 0.1 mg/l
Nitrate 5 mg/l
i've just added some flakes to promote bacterial growth.
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Old March 1st, 2008  
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You mentioned dead fish to kick start the cycle would opening a tin of sardine washing all the oil and tomato sauce out then placing one of them in the tank would that be perfectly ok.
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Old March 1st, 2008  
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Sorry, but I think the idea is a piece of raw shrimp or fish that has not been cooked yet. It has to convert to ammonia and I am not sure the cooked and tinned kind would do as well. Plus I am never sure you could get ALL the oil out and it would not take much to undo a whole tank of fish. Even with water changes, I would be afraid to say Go Ahead on that one.

The quickest option of the fishless cycles is the Ammonia method. It is somewhat of a job to find pure ammonia. Usually found at hardware stores and the such, but definitely worth the search I found as my tank cycled in about a week and it was okay to start using with only a water change as I did not have rotting flakes or any of the other stuff floating about in my tank. The directions are in one of the options under Fishless Cycling in the following article.

http://www.fishlore.com/NitrogenCycle.htm

It leaves you with a cycle that will support a couple of small fish to begin with. You must remember that even when the cycle is complete you are not going to be able to get all the fish at one time. They will have to be introduced slowly to avoid overloading the cycle and throwing your tank into a mini-cycle and setting the whole process back and risking losing fish. The first couple of weeks you can have a couple of small fish and then add a couple more and so on about every 2 weeks. I know that this is going to be a drag after the wait to have to wait to put them all in but it is worth the wait. Also the fish sound pretty. I do not think I would plan on adding a Ram in this tank. (MTS..here you come...good excuse for a second tank) You will want to do just one thing as far as order of introduction is considered. You always want to introduce the territorial fish LAST. (the gouramis) This allows the other fish to establish their territories and to make the gouramis think that they are entering a new territory that THEY must fit into. They will settle where there are not already fish to be dealt with more than likely and there will not be the fighting problems there would be if you allowed them to pick out THEIR territory first as they would consider it ALL their territory. Then every new fish you introduced would have had to fight for space and some of them would have died from fright. (Cories) If the cories and cardinals and others are all there first, the gouramis will not fight them as likely.

Hope this makes sense.

And Hatchet, thanks but I am not even close to being the most knowledgable one on the forum. I am just long winded . Dino has been to college to study the fish and biology and Ross works with him. Carol has had many more kinds of fish and breeds her cories and plecos, something I would never be confident enough to do. Dave and Stacy have bred bettas and this is another thing that I am not confident enough to do myself. Mike and Agansoo have entered the world of Saltwater tanks and that is much more difficult and hard to learn than what I do. Kimberly has kept fish that fascinate me and she and Carol saw me through my stupid days when I did not know anything about anything (worst member for stupid mistakes I ever knew, ME)..those two and Dino were moderators on multiple forums and hold down full time jobs too. Oh, I could go on and on...and you have seen me do it. I just happen to be someone who has had a lot of time to spend with her fish and decided to learn about them. But I really do not know a whole lot more than I know, believe me. But I do thank you for the compliment.

Rose
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Old March 1st, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Thanks for that rose, so have I got this right once the cycle finishes i'll have to do a water change before i add fish so if my first were say 4 cardinals then 10 days later add the final bunch to the school then begin with the Cories and so on and so forth...
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

Rich - it's not a great idea to buy a school in 2 bits. The first bit will establish a hierarchy; and it's really hard for the other fish to join the school - getting stressed and not standing a great chance of living.

Personally, I say get the female Dwarfs first. (Get 2 female Cobalt blue dwarfs, and a male regular dwarf! I have that arrangement and it's much nicer than 2 dull looking regular females.)
Dwarfs are very hardy and relatively small, plus it will give the females time t settle in before the male comes in.

Rose, I don't suppose you know where I can find Tim&Karen on the forum? I know they're UK people who have some sort of shop. It's not easy to get things from Foster & Smiths here; so I was thinking I might be able to order from them. Lol, to me anyone who knows a ton more than me is 'probably one of the most knowledgable members on the forum'... And that's basically everyone counting my fish-non-knowledge!
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
ha ha now heres the conundrum because Rose is saying if I put the Gourami's in first they will claim the whole tank as their territory and give the less domonent species a bit of a hard time and will struggle to prove their own, maybe if I give the cardinals a good team talk before they go in....no seriously how about if I do my cycle with Ammonia and load the tank with bacteria and put the whole school of Cardinals in at once having just read up on the Ammonia method of cycling this maybe a viable option.
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

Well, I don't like to put sensitive species like Cardinals in first. You could put the Feamle dwarfs in first, then the male Dwarf. When you get the Cardinals, Re-arrange the tank decor and it will be like a totally different tank. That will stop the dwarfs taking over. Just make sure you decorate like you wern't planning to at first, and only add live plants once the Cardinals are in so you don't upset any root systems they've grown. I wait 2 or more weeks before adding fish -not just 10 days.
Your tank's levels look like they're almost cycled, which is weird...


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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Hatchet- Thats what I thought I was thinking about ringing the Guiness Book of Records for the fastest cycled tank ever i've done a couple of more tests just to make sure I wasn't getting my Nitrates and Nitrites mixed up the but i'm not. my tap water does have a small amount of Nitrate not as much as 5 more like 3 the colour is between the two lowest guides. My only thought is that the cycle hasn,t begun yet, so i'm of to Homebase tomorrow to get some Ammonia.
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

I think the tank ain't cycled. Homebase sells ammonia!? Woohoo! I've never been able to find it. Is it under houseplants or garden?


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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Nice one Hatchet was intending to go and get some today but I got up a little late was reading the Forums on here til silly o'clock I can now see how people really do get into this hobby i'm loving it and I haven't any fish yet!
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
How about peeing in it lol...hmm now theres a thought...nah i'll swerve that idea lol
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

Lol, I once made a post about using pee to cycle your tank. Turns out human pee contains other things apart from Ammonia that will hurt your fishies!


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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
How about dog pee or is that just taking it a little to far?
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Addict
 
well, i can't imagine wanting to try it badly enough to collect it...
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
where thers a will there's a way thats what I say labour of love or possibly complete and utter frustration
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Old March 3rd, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
i'm on the move added the Ammonia today stands at 6ppm now i'll sit back and wait for the bacteria to form and consume that stinking Ammonia.
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