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Old February 28th, 2008  
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I just do not follow the logic.
It would seem to me, that any improvement of the water conditions, should be beneficial to your fish.
Taking away harmful chemicals should always help your fish.
If temperature and pH are close in the new water, I do not see that a single 50% or a series of smaller changes, would make a difference.

But I have no experince to back that up, as my tanks do not go a month without a change.
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Old February 28th, 2008  
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The LFS I refer to in my posts is "Big Al's" - they're a big chain in the U.S. and Canada. There's also a PetCo here, but we've only bought one thing in there. I'll stay away from it now that I'm hearing your opinions
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Old February 28th, 2008  
Master Of Fish Poo!
 
I won't buy from Big Al's because they happily sell tortured fish.
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Old February 29th, 2008  
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What do you mean by "tortured fish"?
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Old February 29th, 2008  
Fish Mentor
 
Hi!

All the chain stores in the US sell 'tortured fish'. Basically, these are fish who are given conditions like making you live in your toilet (The acctual 'hole in the ground'!) or worse. They also put their Bettas in cups - the size of cup you tend to drink from!

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Old February 29th, 2008  
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Oh, on the Bettas - I HATE seeing that. It REALLY makes me sick when I see florists, decorators and the like use those poor fish in vases and other small containers as decor. Those poor things I think that should be illegal! They're living creatures, not disposable art! I wonder how one would go about getting that categorized as "animal cruelty"?
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Old February 29th, 2008  
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Hi!

Luckily in the UK the worst stores are 5 times better than PetCo!

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Old February 29th, 2008  
Master Of Fish Poo!
 
I mean the dyed and tattoed fish. Such a cruel torture that kills so many fish, I couldn't support a store selling them.

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Old February 29th, 2008  
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I'd never heard of dying or tattooing fish. Strange.

BTW, How do you get them to sit still for the tattoos?
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Old February 29th, 2008  
Master Of Fish Poo!
 
You can find some information if you google it, but it's a pretty horrible and very painful process. 90-95% of the fish die in the process itself. Most of the ones that make it through the process die in less than a month. The ones that don't are mostly sickly and lose the coloring.
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Old February 29th, 2008  
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I don't want to Google it because I'd be sad it I knew anymore. What a horrible thing to do.
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Old March 1st, 2008  
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I just do not follow the logic.
It would seem to me, that any improvement of the water conditions, should be beneficial to your fish.
Taking away harmful chemicals should always help your fish.
If temperature and pH are close in the new water, I do not see that a single 50% or a series of smaller changes, would make a difference.

But I have no experince to back that up, as my tanks do not go a month without a change.
The theory (I have no recent experience in the matter, so this is based on what I've read in books, and seems to be backed up by the experiences of past aquarists, before people knew what a partial water change was) is that a fish's body acclimates to a particular quality of water. So far, so good. We know this to be true. If it weren't, a goldfish wouldn't even be able to survive in a little bowl.
So then, when a fish's body becomes acclimated to the much higher level of nitrates (and all of the changes that might cause, such as a lower pH), and then the water is quickly changed out, the fish's body goes through a minor shock. Usually wouldn't be problematic, except the fish's body was already weakened by being in too much waste.

This does make a certain amount of sense, figuring that osmosis has evened things out so the cells are pretty close to the water around them, then you suddenly change the water quality (even for the better), forcing the cells to go through a pretty rapid osmotic process to even things out again.

In the past (that time before partial water changes), fish would often go through shock when the owners broke the tank down and did monthly or bi-monthly maintenance, changing all or nearly all of the water in the tank. Sometimes the fish would die within hours of the change (not to mention the ones who died in a couple of days due to ammonia build-up. I'm guilty of that one).
Of course, this is a more extreme situation than 3 weeks, but it's closer than I'd like to worry about.
Actually, now that I think about it, I have killed one fish by doing this, but not in any of my tanks. When I took over caring for the tank at my brother's day program, I did a 30% water change, and one of the fish was dead by the next morning. Of course, this was a case of the water not being changed for months and months because the employees didn't know they were supposed to do it.

Honestly, I think it's a matter of determining the lesser of two evils. In this case, you're probably right that it wouldn't hurt the fish.
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
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Thanks. I just hope it's not too late for my Gourami. I know all we can do is just "wait and see" but I feel helpless just watching.
Just a quick update: my Gourami seems to be back to normal. He is eating again and back to his normal behaviors. Hooray!
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Old March 2nd, 2008  
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Excellent. Good news.
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Old April 28th, 2008  
Fish Helper
 
Gel Block food

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If you can find one of the gel blocks (not the chalk ones. There is one user whose fish is believed to have died because the bits in the chalk ones were too big for it) that lasts several weeks, that would be advantageous. Otherwise, if you've got a friend you can trust who can stop by, have them drop a gel block in once a week, with instructions that they are not to do anything else.
I bought the "Tetra Vacation Tropical Slow Release Feeder" plaster-free GEL formula. We're going on vacation on Friday so I thought I would test it out first while we were still in town. I put in half the block last week and within two days it was covered in a white fuzz. Is that normal Doesn't seem right.

Granted we are still (after 4 months) having water quality issues (tests are fine but water is cloudy and slightly green) so maybe that has something to do with the funkiness of it?
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Old April 29th, 2008  
Fish Bum
 
I am interested in the answer to the above question, as we are taking a weekend trip and was considering the gel feeder.

Our tank is still cycling and I put Biospore in two days ago. Would it be better to try the gel feeder or just wait the two days and feed them when we get back? We will be leaving on Friday late afternoon and returning Sunday afternoon. Ammonia is .5, Nitrites 0 and Nitrates 5.
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Old April 29th, 2008  
Fish Master
 
Vacation? What is that?
We never go away for more than a few days. With 4 cats and lots of fish tanks. I am not comfortable leaving them too long.
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Old April 30th, 2008  
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Vacation? What is that?
I'm with you there....
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