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Old April 26th, 2008  
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How Too Continue After Set Up

Hi, Have Just Started A Fish Tank, Gave It Time To Have The Water Treatment, Got It Tested, Ready For Fish, Which I Bought 6 Cardinals, 4 Mixed Tropical In Pairs, And 1 Plec, Yesterday Added Them To The Water Which Was Crystal Clear Before Now Its Cloudy White, What Should I Do?
Also When Changing The Water For Cleaning Puposes How Do I Know How Much Water Conditioner To Put In The Replacing Fresh Water.
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Old April 26th, 2008  
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Hello and welcome to fishlore.
Your cloudy tank can be due to a bacteria bloom, which happens when starting a new tank. Your info says that your tank is only three weeks old, and so you have not completed the nitrogen cycle yet. Since you have fish in your tank now you will have to complete the cycle with them. Which means, daily water changes til you get water perimeter readings of 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, and 10-20 nitrate. Do you have a water test kit? This is the only way you will be able to know if your tank has cycled. You run the risk of your fish getting sick from the toxins in the water now. So doing about a 25% water change daily will help them survive the cycling process. With adding that many fish into an uncycled tank you are more than likely to have a high amount of ammonia which is very toxic for your fish.
Your bottle of water conditioner should have the directions on how much to put into the replacement water.
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Old April 26th, 2008  
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Hi Carterm,
Welcome to FishLore. Kate have given you great advice. One thing I will add, your tank looks over crowded.

6 cardinals = 12"
4 Mixed Tropicals = 6" (I don't know what they are so I went low and counted them as 1.5" of adult fish)
1 pleco = 18" (If this is a common pleco)

That's 28 inches of adult fish in a 20 gallon tank.
The rule of thumb is 1" of adult fish per gallon of water.

I would recommend you return the pleco, I know, they are so cute, but you really don't have room for him.

Good Luck with your tank.
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Old April 26th, 2008  
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Hey hey, welcome to fish lore. listen carefully to what those others have said and things should turn out ok. I def. second the opinion to return the pleco, (esp. if he is the regular type) as without him you have at least 18 inches of fish in that tank. Best wishes =)
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Old April 27th, 2008  
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Welcome to Fishlore.

For those fish, you're probably wanting to have a tank of 250 liters or more, because the pleco gets large and puts out a lot of waste. Daily water changes of 25-40% would be recommended though. If you can get Prime there to condition your water, I'd recommend it.

http://www.fishlore.com/NitrogenCycle.htm - Check this page, the section on cycling with fish. It will help you get your tank in order and on the way to being cycled.

If returning the fish to the store is an option, I'd definitely recommend returning them and cycling without fish. Then stock the tank that you have to stay within the recommended bioload.
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Old April 28th, 2008  
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thanks to all for the help but i did get the water in the tank tested, at an aquarium center and it was in good condition ready for fish, i have put in some filter aid and this has helped the problem, the fish i never see they all hide, the fish i have dont add up to 12" altogether and the plec wasn't even an inch long, i need to know of a good fish for cleaning up the botton of the tank any suggestions. three of my fish have now died, can someone please help me understand what i have to do to make the water right for my fish, i dont understand the cycle, a step by step guide of what to do would really help sorry to sound totally thick, but everyone with fish make it sound so easy, i dont want my fish to suffer from my ignorance. please help

Last edited by carterm; April 28th, 2008 at 09:40 PM.
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Old April 28th, 2008  
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HI, WELCOME TO FISHLORE!

Often clerks at fish stores don't have a tremendous amount of experience in maintaining healthy home aquariums...I say this with all respect, and am not trying to give you problems, rather I am only wanting you to have a healthy tank.

If you took water into a store from a tank that never had fish in it they could not test it and find ANYTHING wrong....of course, there were no fish in the tank to start accumulating waste, ammonia, nitrite or nitrate.....When you read the link provided you will see that it is a long process your tank has to go through if you just stick fish in an uncycled tank!

Most here recommend doing the nitrogen cycle with NO fish in the tank, but "feeding" it with either pure ammonia, or fish food, or a raw shrimp or piece of raw fish (these last two are a really stinky way to go).....This NO fish cycling takes about 2 weeks. With fish takes 6-8 weeks with DAILY water changes to keep the fish healthy.

Despite what you have been told at your LFS, the fish will die if you don't have them in a cycled tank, unless you are careful to do the water changes. The ONLY way you can be sure yourself if your tank is cycled is to buy a test kit and test your own water. We recommend the API Master test kit (liquid), it gives accurate results if you follow the directions.

The problem with relying on your fish store to test your water is that they often don't give you the test results, they will say your water is "OK", but with out having the results you won't know for sure.....I suggest testing every day right before your water change and charting the results, it will help you understand better what is going on in your tank.

When the cycle starts the ammonia goes up....until bacteria grows that will convert this to nitrite. BOTH ammonia and nitrite are toxic and will kill your fish. Water changes at this time is the only thing that will save your fish. Adding Prime will help, but cannot be relied on to bring the levels down without water changes. Then after several weeks, your nitrates will start coming up....once again it takes time for the bacteria to develop that will do this conversion. Once your ammonia and nitrite both go back down to 0 and your nitrate is up around 10-20 your tank is cycled and safe for fish.....At this point you can back off to weekly 25-50% water changes, but remember to test your water before your change, as it is the only way for sure for you to know how much needs changing....You have to maintain your tank under 20 nitrates to keep healthy fish.

As for the Pleco.....here on fishlore we ALWAYS recommend you counting your fish as if they ARE adults when first stocking your tank. It takes time for the bacteria to build up enough to handle all the waste the fish produce, and as your fish grow so does the bacteria culture.....1" of adult fish per gallon is the stocking rule of thumb...so many people buy baby fish then are never ready in time to move them into a proper size tank it is easier not to over stock to begin with.

IF your pleco is a common pleco it WILL grow to 18" They produce long strings of poo that will wrap around your tank, LONG before you are ready to concede it is a problem....they eat lots, and make a huge mess.....I love plecos, but will never again have a common just for this reason....Bristlenose plecos are a much better choice as they are great algae eaters and only grow to 5".

People here at fishlore are only trying to help you out of the same problems we have heard a thousand times....it is so much easier to cycle fishless, and not overcrowd. Good Luck!
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Old April 28th, 2008  
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Originally Posted by susitna-flower View Post
People here at fishlore are only trying to help you out of the same problems we have heard a thousand times....it is so much easier to cycle fishless, and not overcrowd. Good Luck!
I'll 2nd that, my fish are still alive because of this site and 1 very beat up shoulder.
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