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February 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Wee new 29g just picked up!
We stopped by Petsmart while looking at fish, mostly because they have great deals on their starter kits, and found a 29g starter kit for under 100$. Has the filter, 100wheater, fluorescent hood/bulb. I read about air pumps, how required are they? We don't have one in our 10gallon and the platys seem to be fine without it? Do they need an air pump also?
Also, if I stick with an idea of 1'2" fish I'm looking at something like 15-20 fish, does this sound accurate depending on the smaller of the fish I end up choosing?
Also need help with ideas... my wife really likes the slow colorful fish where as I like active fish with mini personalities.. is that type of tank possible in a 29g?
So far for decoration, we have a mountain/villa type setup with caves, a rock with a mini cave under it.. kind of like the 'old west cartoon rock formations' .. and a 'reef' and 'drift wood' piece that have attachment slots where you can attach plants. There will be a total of 8 plants in the tank, of variable sizes( 6"x2, 9"x2, 12"x2, 18"x2)((plastic btw - not gutsy enough yet for real plants))
Thanks for the info, advice and ideas! | 
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February 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| You will have to research the fish you want. Even if they are young right now, the stocking rule is for ADULT size of the fish you buy. So if you buy a common pleco for example, they may be 3 inches now, but they grow to 18 inches, and that is what you have to count! A common pleco should NEVER be purchased unless you have a 75 gallon tank.
Here on fishlore there is a whole section under "ARTICLES" up at the top for FISH PROFILES, where you can find out how large most fish will grow. Have fun with your 29 gal.  | |
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February 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| That's a really good deal!!
An air pump isn't a real necessity. The 1" per gallon thing only really works if you're talking about very small, streamlined fish. For example, you could put 20, 1" neon tetras, but NOT two 10" Oscars. | |
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February 21st, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbrella  That's a really good deal!!
An air pump isn't a real necessity. The 1" per gallon thing only really works if you're talking about very small, streamlined fish. For example, you could put 20, 1" neon tetras, but NOT two 10" Oscars. | Yes, I understand the scaling issue as far as keeping larger fish in the tanks. I don't think we would ever -want- anything larger than 3" anyhow. Thank you for pointing that out though  | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
Unfortunately, fast moving small fish and slow fish are rarely compatible. Slow, colourful fish generally belong to the Gourami family, and only 3 species (Dwarf, Honey and Sparkling) are small enough for you.
Cherry barbs are a loosely schooling species, which only get 1.5" - but because they are loose schoolers they don't freak out big, slow fish like Gouramis and Angelfish. The same goes for Common/Silver hatchets. (In my avatar)
Here are my suggestions:
Idea 1#:
1 Male Dwarf gourami,
2 Female Dwarf gouramis, (Get Cobalt blues. They are lovely!)
2 Male cherry barbs,
6 Female cherry barbs,
6 Common (AKA Silver) hatchets,
Idea 2#: (For your daughter - I heard about what she loves!)
8 Glo-fish,
4 male Platys (2 from your 10gal, and get a betta for the 10gal),
4 male Guppys.
Idea 3#:
8 GloFish,
2 Male cherry barbs,
6 Female cherry barbs,
2 Platys, (From your 10gal - get a Betta for the 10gal.)
Idea 4#:
2 Female Cobalt blue dwarf gouramis,
3 Female Honey gouramis,
1 Male Cherry barb,
5 Female Cherry barbs,
4 Platys of the same sex (2 from your 10gal, put a Betta in 10gal).
Idea 5#:
2 Female Cobalt blue dwarf gouramis OR 2 female Honey gouramis,
1 Male cherry barb,
5 Female cherry barbs,
6 Harlequin rasboras,
Depending on your fish, you'll get around 15 fish in there.
Oh, and in your 10gal just get 2 more Guppys of the same sex if you don't move the platys to the 29 and get a Betta for the 10.
Last edited by Blub; February 22nd, 2008 at 06:45 AM.
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| Quote:
Originally Posted by HatchetHaven Hi!
Unfortunately, fast moving small fish and ..........................4 male Platys (2 from your 10gal, and get a Betta for the 10gal),
.....................................2 Platys, (From your 10gal - get a Betta for the 10gal.)..................(2 from your 10gal, put a Betta in 10 gal)............... and get a Betta for the 10.
| Hmmmm if I didnt know any better I would say Hatchet wants you to get a betta! | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
Lol... They are great for kids and in 10gal tank so it makes sense!
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| Yeah you have a point.... But I just couldnt help pointing out your hints. I was reading that list cracking up laughing.  | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| I know I want a betta, a Bright red one. really beautifulf fish. | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
If you want one - then get one! Minimum tank size = 2.5gal, very hardy and a great personality! The 6.6gal Bookshelf tanks PetCo sells are great for them.
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| I can't find a red one like I've seen on some avatars here, When I do I have soem money saved up for one of those eclipse 6 systems with biowheel. | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
Buy the Eclipse now - and cycle it so it's ready for when you see one.
My Malachai is bright red! When they're in the cups at the store their colour is often very faded, you see so finding a red one can be confusing!
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Thats good to know, I might very well go and get the eclipse this weekend, just to get ready for my hopefully new fish, and from what I've seen these bettas can't be faded that badly, nad most all of them are a red/blue coloration. I just want a bright red one. | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
Yeah, Bright reds are nice. I'm looking for a Tri-colour Cambodian (Preferably Crown tail!) right now. Sheesh, these guys ain't easy to find.
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Moderator
| Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcicius Thats good to know, I might very well go and get the eclipse this weekend, just to get ready for my hopefully new fish, and from what I've seen these bettas can't be faded that badly, nad most all of them are a red/blue coloration. I just want a bright red one. |  ... Im sorry I dont usually do this... but couldnt resist showing a photo of my red betta, Phoenix.  Since talking about red bettas....   ~ kate | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Betta's are out of the question ;p Had them as a child, usually forced on me by my parents. To this day I still think they are tacky looking, and I hate their other name "siamese fighting fish". My daughter would LOVE for me to get one and let her have it, which I may do in the long run, but as for our personal tank.. nowayjose! =D
Thank you for the other idea's. I looked those fish up and they do look great.
What about an African Cichlid setup? Or are they not so hardy/good for beginners? | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| Hi!
What do you think of my many suggestions? I tried to do some that you would all enjoy, took me half an hour.
You don't have to do a Betta for the 10gal if you go by one which moves the platys to the 29al.
I'm not a cichlid expert - but isn't a 29gal a little small for most Africans?
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by HatchetHaven Hi!
What do you think of my many suggestions? I tried to do some that you would all enjoy, took me half an hour.
You don't have to do a Betta for the 10gal if you go by one which moves the platys to the 29al.
I'm not a cichlid expert - but isn't a 29gal a little small for most Africans?
| I said they were great ideas! They looked great! As far as the cichlids go, I have no idea? It didn't look like it, if we just kept 6-7 fish in the tank.
Blue Ram 2-3" adult
Convict up to 4"
Discus 6"
Cockatoo 2-3.5"
Jewel 5.5"
Wife wants to get a 'larger' fish or two in the tank with a few bottom dwellers and some schoolers. It's going to be a tough time looking things up on them all We bought a book the other night so we can look at things a bit easier.
Thanks again Hatch | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| I dont know about africans, but you could keeps some rams or kribs in their. Both are beautiful fish, and you could still get a small school of glofish or danios.
I wouldnt do a discus in a tank that size unless you had some experiance. | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Addict
| africans need different water conditions too, and they're not as 'fun' as community fish, imho... (as far as personalities - there's just mean and meaner) pretty, yes... but limiting. if you're looking for things with bright colors like cichlids, check out various rainbowfish... such as: http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/p...fm?pCatId=1053
PS - bettas aren't my favorite either, i wouldn't get one. your daughter might enjoy dwarf frogs or shrimp tho! or maybe a puffer? | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Addict
| you don't have a whole lot of choices as far as 'big' fish... an pair of angels would be fine, imo... but then you should limit the tankmates substantially.
discus are far too big for a 29g, and quite delicate - requiring pristine/perfect water conditions, btw
Last edited by SereneReyn; February 22nd, 2008 at 01:19 PM.
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| Ohh puffer is a great idea! they are small and personality loaded! a puffer with a small school of otos goes great in a 10! | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Keeper
| Quote:
Originally Posted by angelfish220 Ohh puffer is a great idea! they are small and personality loaded! a puffer with a small school of otos goes great in a 10! | Define small school of oto's? Does school normally mean 6+? thanks!~ | |
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February 22nd, 2008
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| | Fish Mentor
| Yeah, a school is a group of fish, with otos 6 but some fish that could mean 3 others 10 just depends on the habits of the fish. | |
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February 23rd, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| Congrats on picking up a new tank.  You could browse fish databases and check out what you could get in your area while the tank cycles so that you end up with the fish you want and a happy tank.
There's so many fish to recommend..  A pair of Angels with a school of peaceful tetras could fit the bill.. Angels are slow colorful fish with a lot of personality. | |
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February 23rd, 2008
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| | Fish Master
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Originally Posted by FL CommunityFans I said they were great ideas! They looked great! As far as the cichlids go, I have no idea? It didn't look like it, if we just kept 6-7 fish in the tank.
Blue Ram 2-3" adult
Convict up to 4"
Discus 6"
Cockatoo 2-3.5"
Jewel 5.5"
Wife wants to get a 'larger' fish or two in the tank with a few bottom dwellers and some schoolers. It's going to be a tough time looking things up on them all We bought a book the other night so we can look at things a bit easier.
Thanks again Hatch | Hi!
Those are American cichlids. They tend to be slightly territorial. (According to my tiny cichlid brain!) However, I have a perfect idea! If your unsure about it, ask Nar and he'll tell you how well it works...
2 Female pearl gouramis (10-12cm long, big fish)
1 Male cherry barb, (4cm, schooler)
5 Female cherry barbs, (4cm, schooler)
6 Panda, Sterbai, Bandit, Julii, Leopard or Albino corys, (5-6.5cm long, schooling bottom-dweller)
It incorporates everything you want, (No cichlids. Sorry!) a large fish that won't eat the schooling fish, a schooling fish that won't spook the Gouramis, (The cherry barbs could be substituted for Harlequin rasboras.) and a peaceful bottom dweller. Having small schoolers and large fish rarely works; this should work out great.
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