red devil lover

im new on this site i just purchased a tank and a few fish two of them have died cause my red devil killed them but what i want to know my red devil is about 10cm but he still hasnt changed colour he still is black with greyish stripes and some spots on his sides now is he really a red devil

Lucy

Hi Welcome to FishLore!
If you could post a pic, it would help the member try and identify your fish for you.

I'm moving this thread into the Fish ID section of the forum.
Good luck!

red devil lover

alrighty thanks i will try and get a photo and post it

DRock914

Sounds like a buttikoferi. They are just as aggressive.

Shawnie

welcome to fishlore!
buttikoferi, or at least mine, are yellow with black stripes and no dots....but I agree a pic would help allot

DRock914

A picture would definitely help. By those clues it sounds more like a buttikoferi then a red devil. I have seen grayish ones at pet stores but they probably aren't in the best living conditions.

red devil lover

okay is there any picture that u could get me a link to that i could see one

DRock914

Shawnie

http://www.peteducation.com/images/a...ri_cichlid.jpg butterkofferi cichlid

yours sounds like it could be a texas x red devil http://www.wetwebmedia.com/CichlidPIX/fish4.jpeg

red devil lover

ok i put a few pictures in my gallery if u want to look but my camera isnt that good so there the best i got lol

Shawnie

\ looks like a red devil texas cross to me ..finnage and facial shape isnt a butterkofferi...but with the cichlids that are hybrids now a days, could be a combo of anything ...

red devil lover

but he dosent look aything like the pictures u suggested and in the night he sought of changes colours in between his stripes to a lighter pinky colour

DRock914

I agree it doesn't look like a buttikoferi, sorry I don't know what that is.

Shawnie

its a mix of something..the first pic I can see a bit of convict in it...but the second pic has a bit of a texas hyrbrid look..be interesting to see what memebers think ...

red devil lover

ok thanks shawnie will he ever turn fully pink cause i really would love if he turned to an orange pinky colour cause i love the look of a full grown red devil and even know he might be crossed will he still get as big as a normal red devil

btate617

To me it looks like a 'Cichlasoma' Uropthalmus (false red terror, or Mayan cichlid).
The colors are pretty dark which they will turn when stressed.
Try for a pic when the fish isn't so darkly colored and I can tell for sure.
Great fish by the way.

Brian

red devil lover

ok thanks yer i will try and get a few more he seems to turn pinkish in the night for some reason and he is always that colour through the day but i will try and get a few more pictures for u, and so if he was a red devil he would definately be a redish orange colour by now right?

btate617

He could be redish/orange, possibly have black blotches everywhere, they go through some pretty cool color changes. However the stripes are why I say it is not a red devil.

I found some old pics of my Mayan cichlid, 'Cichlasoma' Uropthalmus, I will put here for you to see. Also the way to tell a real red terror against a false red terror is the 2nd and 3rd verticle stripe on a real red terror, exCichlasoma Festae, will meet and form a Y.


These are all the same fish just showing different colors and the flash being different.






Brian

red devil lover

thanks brian ive put a few more pics up cause someone said put some up when he is a lighter colour so i got a few more,there in my gallery and he looks familiar to ur photos exexpt his stripes are darker

btate617

It still looks like a very darkly colored Uropthalmus to me, possibly stressed for some reason.

How big is it?

I asked for the lighter pics, still try for some more if he lightens up a bit.

Brian

red devil lover

yer okay i will try but my cmaera isnt very good but i will try again he is about 10cm and yer i dont know why he would be stressed but they might be the best pics i can get so yer

so now that i know he is definately not a red devil how would i go about buying a proper red devil and if u could give me any tips so i know i actually am buying a red devil not one of these fish that the pet shop said they are but there not thanks

btate617

Honestly you are not going to find a true red devil (Amphilophus Labiatus) at 99% of the LFS.
These are one of the fish that more often than not, although they will look like a red devil, they are a mix of something else also.

An awesome fish but you will need to find a good breeder or order from a reputable distributor to ensure you get a true red devil.


Here are some pics of a young Amphilophus Labiatus I had at about 3-3.5" just before it started going through a color change.





Brian

red devil lover

ok so that one that is all diffrent colours a red devil and it is in the process of changin colours thats a pretty big change from all diffrent colours to just a staright flat orange ok so im best off to ring a pet shop that just deals with red devils cause theres a shop about 2hours away from me all they deal with is red devils so im probably best to order one from there but if i dont and i go into a pet shop a red devil should look something like that or if the store is selling a bit mature red devil it should be like a pale orangish pinkish colour right.

ok i cant get any other photos of this fish i dont know what it is thankyou for all ur effort trying to identify this i appreciate it but ive come to a conclusion i dont know what it is so its all okay im going to try and get a actual or close to a red devil so thanks again and when i get my new red devil hopefully i can post some photos .

Hello. I've merged these two posts since there was no response in between. There is an "edit" key at the bottom of every post for corrections and additional thoughts if there is no responses.

btate617

No problem man good luck finding one!

The fish in the background of the pic is not a red devil.

Brian

red devil lover

ok i went out today and went searching for a red devil i found one and bought it very cool fish its starting to change to a pinkish colour under the neck of it and between but it is still a bit greyish colour so hopefully i got an actual red devil this time and the lfs said that its a female so yer and about my other fish brian could it possibly be a midas i know that same as a red devil but i looked at a few midas and i found one the same as my other fish

aquarist48

Hello Red Devil Lover and Welcome to Fish Lore!
Ken

btate617

Midas are like red devils these days, could be part but very unlikely a pure midas.

Look forward to the new pics!

Brian

red devil lover

ok cool i will get some but she is very timade at the moment she hidin all day and yesterday so yer the water is all right same with temperature and the tank all good but it looks like she scared or just a bit timade ill try and post a few picks soon

red devil lover

so what i have noticed is she is very pink and looks like she might be turning but she still has three big black dots in the middle of her body so i dont know why the spots are black is that normal spots for a red devil growing up

btate617

It has been probably 16 months or so ( last summer I believe) but one of the local distributors here in the city held a grow out competition. Pretty simple, he provided everyone with a fish( about 3/4-1" in size) that wanted to do the competition. He gave no info about the fish, everyone grew it out for about 4 months or so and the biggest fish at the end that person won a gift certificate. I have been looking for the thread for you and finally found it. The fish for the contest turned out to be red devils. I will add a couple pics from the competition so you can see how they change. Just a note, notice in the pics when the fish are young the do have stripes and spots at different time. However your is 10cm and by that time all the marking should be gone, only different color changes should be going on, which is why I said your first fish was not a red devil.




And then you can see once mine changed to a solid color, in the pics I put earlier in this thread. Also the pics I posted of mine I put the fish was about 3-3.5" in fact it would have been smaller then, probably around 2.5".

Hopefully this helps you some.

Brian