red devil lover

thanks brian for the photos could u plz tell me what temperature in which u would run when u have red devils and could u change it to like celseius

btate617

around 25-26 or so.
Any pics of the new one?

Brian

red devil lover

umm i will honestly try but when shilo come out to play its at night and im ussualy cant be bothered to get my camers lol but i will really try tonight so ill post again and tell u when they in my gallery
thanks for the teperature another quick question do red devils like sand or gravel better

red devil lover

hey brian i managed to get some photos of her but ther not the best so they will be in my gallery when u want to go have a look

red devil lover

another question should have added it in the other post but forgot should red devils have like full red eyes cause she has got like really dark red eyes but in the pictures they appear to be blue but they are actually really red

btate617

Sand or gravel will work. However if you use HOB filters I would use gravel. As the fish grows a bit it will move around the sand lots and it will get in the impellor of your HOB and you will be replacing it constantly. If you have sponge filters then sand will be fine.

The pics are very dark but I will look at them more.

Brian

I looked at the pics more. A young fish will have the spots , but the spots on this fish look pretty big. How big is it? 3" or so?

red devil lover

umm yer its not that big but i was looking at a other red devil on youtube and it looks exactly the same as then guys on the internet so i think it is a red devil but yer the spots are pretty big and dark shes probably about 3 or 4 inch but could she just be like late growing up because the one on youtube was alot bigger and it was still had its spots

Tony G.

could you post the video here?
just copy and paste the link..

red devil lover

alrighty i will try but im not good with computers lol

red devil lover

ok i think i did it anyway now looking at the vid again you are right she does have alot of bigger and darker spots compared to this one on youtube but the one on youtube still has a dark spot in the middle and a few little ones on the side

btate617

But the stripped fish in the video isn't a red devil, am I missing something here

It looks like a barred midas to me, which people commonly mix with red devils.

Brian

Tony G.

i agree with brian... it looks like a midas to me too

red devil lover

ok do you know if america where u get your red devils from are diffrent to here in australia were we get our red devils from just a thought the pet shop man said mine is definately a red devil cause he even told me the company name and all the details and he said that it is the biggest fish company provider in austarlia and there pretty good for selling the right fish anyway thats 2 pet stores now and obiously they both aint red devils so i had enough!!!!!!!!!! but in saying that she is cahnging to a pinkish colour all her underbody is pink and she is startingn to change colour

Tony G.

Maybe a hybrid??
it looks more like a midas to me

maybe a barred midas and a red devil

I'll let brian do the ID, i suck at that...

red devil lover

lol well i dont think she has any barred midas in her i looked at a few of them on the internet and she dosent look like them at all but my other fish brian id looks like a barred midas lol all i want ia a red devil lol and i just cant find one so my next step is go to a major city over here and go to like the best ever fish shop and get a red devil lol

btate617

It doesn't matter if you get a fish in the U.S. or in Australia...an A. Labiatus (red devil) is a A. Labiatus. Your fish first is not for sure. I also doubt the first one you got is a barred midas either, those fish grow in a short and tall kinda way, where as your is long and slender if you know what I mean. What happened to the first one anyway, do you still have it?

Now I am confused about the video....not a word anyone.....
Did you show that video to show us the stripped fish? If you think your fish is similiar to the stripped one in the video then sorry dude you didn't get a red devil again. Like I said these two fish, the red devil and the barred midas, are two fish in the hobby where 99% of the time they will be hybrids. These two fish have been screwed by hobbiest for far too long, meaning breeding the two together, and geting a pure one is difficult. I know the shop promised you it is a red devil, and it may very well be. But if you think yours looks very much like the stripped fish in the video well you may have been lied to again.

I say give it some time and see if it goes through a color change before you run out and buy another one. You said it is just under 3" right? Although it should have begun a color change by now, who knows maybe it is a late bloomer


Brian


Here is an article I had saved, it is from the 80's and a lot has changed but still some good info if you are interested.
http://www.cichlidae.com/article.php?id=106

Tony G.

That could be it too. Ive seen parrots have their color change when theyre a bit bigger too... maybe since he/she is a hybrid it is taking a while...

red devil lover

thanks brian for all your help i appreciate it yes i still have my other fish and he has a beutiful personality and a great fish so hes in dads tank at the moment till i get my bigger one and yes my litlle girl red devil is about 2 and a half inche to about 3 inch and yes she is pink under her belly and under all her dots and she is going pink up the top of her body so i am having faith that she turns to a red devil lol and yes not buying another fish from a LFS i have found a breeder in sydeny and she has a pair of red devils and there 3years old and i might be getting a pair from her so this will be the end of this thread thanks for evey ones help and hope to talk to yous soon will post more pics and stuff when she grows up or if i get another red evil from the breeder thnks evry one

matt

red devil lover

hi brian hopeflly u check this as this is the only way i thoguht i could talk to you again anyway i finnaly got a red devil or it is a midas ill put the new pictures in my gallery and let u determine but now ive got my big red devil im so happy shes so cute and has such a funny personality

btate617

Hey Matt

I looked at your gallery are the new pics there yet?

The last 4 pics still look like 'Cichlasoma' Uropthalmus.

The first 4 I am not sure, but would say probably not a RD. At that size they shouldn't be that color......
I think I am missing the new pics.

By the way I did happen to pick up some red devils, I posted them in the freshwater fish and tank photos section if you are interested.


Brian

red devil lover

hey brian yes your right the new ones arent in there yet im having problems submiting them but i wikll try again and just keep checking the gallery for them you will see the new ones she like a pale orange colouer so i actually cant submit the photos to my gallery it sas something is out of memeory so is there any other way brian i could show u my new fish like can i upload a aphoto so when u open the thred u see it or d you have an email adress i could send them