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October 17th, 2009
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| Don't know what they are but they're pretty!
I went to the store yesterday to buy my new stock of Rummynose tetras when I saw these cute lil' fellas in a separated tank. The shopkeeper said they're very expensive and can only live alone. I might save up to get one of them but have no idea what they are. When I looked at them, I was guessing probably rams or cichlid, but not very sure... | 
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October 17th, 2009
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| Looks like a Firemouth Cichlid to me. | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| Can't be... It doesn't have the reddish color under its mouth. | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| It's a cichlid of some kind but not a Ram. Wish we had a more side on look at it.
carol | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Definitley not a Firemouth. The black spot on Firemouths isn't near the base of the tail like this one. Not all Firemouths have red chins. I have 3 right now that don't.
Looks like either Amphilopus Longimanus - Red Breasted Cichlid. 7inches, Central America. Known terrorist.
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Hoparchus Psittacus - Parrot Cichlid. 14inches, Brazil. Known terrorist.
I have also seen young Texas Cichlids that look quite similar to this. Even one of the Geophagus sub species maybe, though they are generally quite peaceful.
Those are all just guesses though. It could really be any of about 50 different species that look similar. Really need more of a side on pic. | |
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October 17th, 2009
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| Hmm... Thanks so much for the input, everyone. I'll try to get another photo and post it on this thread. But might only visit the store again next week. I'll keep you guys updated.  | |
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October 22nd, 2009
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| I just noticed this thread.
I don't think it would be Hoplarchus Psittacus, however if it turns out it is buy it and all they have chances are you won't find them again in a LFS. The reason I don't think they are is the head slope and mouth area seem wrong to me.
I agree with Nutter, not a firemouth.
Could be a Texas but not pure maybe a hybred of something. Even young Texas' have lots of spangles throughout the body.
I would say some type of Central, a side pic would be great.
I would guess something along the lines of Vieja or a Paratheraps species or a mix of  Possibly a young Paratheraps Hartwegi.
What do they have it listed as, or they aren't sure either.
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October 22nd, 2009
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| It's definitley a new world cichlid - look like a young JD to me....but they aren't expensive. | 
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October 22nd, 2009
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| Looks like a washed out Jewel to me. | |
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October 22nd, 2009
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| kinda looks like a skinny severum to me  LOL
but hat do i know... im no cichlid expert! i can barelly tell which ones are convicts and oscars  | |
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October 22nd, 2009
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| I still say it's a young Firemouth | |
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October 22nd, 2009
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| Definently not a firemouth.
My first guess is a type of Vieja | |
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October 23rd, 2009
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| Thanks for the responses. I tried getting a side pic during my last visit but it kept moving around and it was a 35 gal tank with 4 separators for 4 of these fish. I asked the shop keeper but he said he has no idea.  I really want to buy this fish, I'm hoping to soon get a 55 gal. I know they probably can't be in a community or with each other because they are in separators. Thanks for the names. I'll try to google it and compare the photos if I can.  | |
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October 23rd, 2009
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| How can he not know?? Moreover, how can he say that they're very expensive when he doesn't know what it is?
I think he's trying to sell you a green texas at a hefty markup. | |
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October 23rd, 2009
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| | Fish Mentor
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Originally Posted by Jaysee  How can he not know?? Moreover, how can he say that they're very expensive when he doesn't know what it is?
I think he's trying to sell you a green texas at a hefty markup. | haha he's one of the workers there who takes care of the shop while the manager is always away. I rarely see the manager. All the prices of the livestock and items in the shop is marked. He's the only worker in the small shop and knows very little english.
I've just compared the pictures on google and it's really hard to tell with the given names. They all seem different. The Jack Dempseys though have the same shape of fins and body as this fish, but its just the coloration I'm not sure. Does young JD's colors look very light as this one? | |
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October 23rd, 2009
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| Ok, maybe not a Firemouth Perhaps a young Flowerhorn? That would explain why it's expensive. | |
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October 23rd, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| Firemouths live in family units, not by themselves like the unknowledgable worker said.
Young JDs do look different (lighter/less markings) from mature ones, but the only ones that would be considdered expensive is the electric blue (ebjd), which it clearly is not.
Last edited by Jaysee; October 23rd, 2009 at 07:21 AM.
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October 23rd, 2009
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| 100% not a jack or a firemouth. Jack dempsay's are a longer fish even when young and this fish already has a "tall" body. Body is also wrong for a firemouth.
I still would say something along the lines of Vieja or a Paratheraps. Paratheraps aren't seen nearly as often as Vieja so there is a good chance it isn't Paratheraps either, even though it looks like a young P. Hartwegi. A much better chance of it being a Vieja species, the problem is lots of Vieja's these days are mixed with other Vieja's. Being they don't know what it is I doubt it is anything special, However I will say there are some very cool Vieja mixes out there. I don't mean it isn't a nice or cool fish, I just don't see how the can tell you it is an expensive fish without knowing what it is. If it was some rare/expensive fish I am more than sure they would have it labelled to show it off know what I mean? Somewhere they have to have an invoice of that fish coming into the shop, even though the invoice may not be what it truely is it would be a starting point.
Brian
Chances are the reason they are seperated is young Centrals are rough on eachother, it is tough to sell an expensive fish with ripped up fins. | |
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October 24th, 2009
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| | Fish Master
| No way that's a Jewel. The fins are all the wrong shape. Jewels have a rounded dorsal fin with no red stripe at the top & are african. This one is clearly american. Also definitley not a Severum. Not a JD. Body shape looks wrong to me for a Flowerhorn. I like the logic of Btate617 but arn't Veija's fairly small & peaceful on cichlid standards?
I would say a Red Terror but the dark speckles don't match & the larger spots don't quite match up either.
Put the hard word on the useless worker to find the paperwork on the fish. If he won't do that, tell him you want to buy it but want to be sure what it is first & that he should call the manager to find out or find out when the manager will next be in store. He probably comes in on certain days to do the bookwork. Tell him straight up, no fish ID, no sale. Money should get them motivated to find out what it is for you. | |
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October 24th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Nutter I like the logic of Btate617 but arn't Veija's fairly small & peaceful on cichlid standards?
. | I don't know about that.....
Vieja Regani, about 14"
Vieja Hartwegi, around a foot
Vieja Argentea, probably the coolest of them all, males to about 12" pretty nasty fish.
Vieja Maculicauda, Black Belt, 16"
Vieja Bifasciatus, 14" or so
Vieja Synspilum 14-16"
All of these fish are pretty nasty and more than likely would kill off almost any tank mates.
I am not to sure about red terror (exCichlasoma Festae) or 'Cichlasoma' Uropthalmus (false red terror) as even at this size the mouth is already becoming somewhat pointed like a red devil's would be and you can start to see the black verticle stripping even if very faint.
Depending on price I would buy a few of them if your budget will allow, chances are no matter what they turn out to be if you have the room to house them they should turn out to be a great looking cichlid. My only concern, although I really don't think they are, is if they turn out to be a low grade looking flowerhorn.
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October 24th, 2009
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| Thanks for clearing that up for me btate617. The books I was looking in had most of that family down as being under 6" & fairly peacefull. Except for the Black Belt which I already knew to be 12"+ & rather nasty. I've had them before. Beautiful fish but grumpy with anything & everything. Hence the reason why I don't pay much attention to books when it comes to fish profiles. I much prefer to get on forums & ask questions of people who have had the species before. | |
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October 25th, 2009
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| What are Vieja? I mean the common names? I'm hopeless at the scientific names. | |
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October 25th, 2009
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| There are many types of Vieja, the most notorious of the group is probably the "Black Belt Cichlid" | |
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October 25th, 2009
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| | Fish Bum
| It could be a Bolivian Ram, It is similar to a normal Ram Cichlid. | |
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October 25th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Slug There are many types of Vieja, the most notorious of the group is probably the "Black Belt Cichlid" | Never heard of them. And I thought my knowledge of Cichlids was pretty good! Are they aggressive then? | |
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October 25th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Nutter Put the hard word on the useless worker to find the paperwork on the fish. If he won't do that, tell him you want to buy it but want to be sure what it is first & that he should call the manager to find out or find out when the manager will next be in store. He probably comes in on certain days to do the bookwork. Tell him straight up, no fish ID, no sale. Money should get them motivated to find out what it is for you. | haha That's an interesting way I should be going there again either thursday or monday. I'll ask him for the list of fish names, they should have one since they have loads of different fish I've never seen before. If not, I'll probably just get the manager's contact number. | |
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October 26th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Nick Goody Never heard of them. And I thought my knowledge of Cichlids was pretty good! Are they aggressive then? | Typical Cental American cichlid Nick, so yes. | |
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October 28th, 2009
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| Hi peacemaker, i think it is a juvenille TILAPIA MARIAE(sorry dnt know its common name) If you google it the markings are identical but being a juvenille it hasnt coloured up yet. Good luck identifying.
Nick
Also known as the SPOTTED TILAPIA. If you look at the head on the pic you took and compare it to the adults on google images you can see the vertical lines just starting to appear .
It is aggressive to over fish and gets to about 14 inches in the wild according to the fact sheet.
Last edited by gunner13; October 28th, 2009 at 12:49 PM.
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October 29th, 2009
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| | Fish Helper
| hay,
i would say its a very young chocalate cichlid ( Hypselecara Temporalis )
they are quite aggresive to each other.
Just My 
Good Luck | |
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