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January 12th, 2009
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| Decapsulated Brine Shrimp eggs
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Originally Posted by Toxic  oops, left out some details, you can take a thin cloth such as a handkerchief, drain the tube into the cloth, rise with a little bit of dechlorinated water before dipping the cloth were the shrimp are into the water. That is if you don't want the shrimp water mixed into yours. | I use a coffee filter to drain/rinse my BBS in   Kittenface14 I hope you don't mind if I hijack your thread for a minute All of us have been hatching brine shrimp right? has anybody used the decapsulated brine shrimp? A friend told me you just put a pinch in the tank your feeding and they... hatch? any supposedly they stay alive for a couple of days after putting them in the tank. No salt needed. Here's a link http://www.kensfish.com/kensspecialtyfood.html
If we want to discuss this further i will make a new thread
Carol
Last edited by Butterfly; January 12th, 2009 at 03:21 PM.
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January 12th, 2009
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| Hijack all you want Butterflly!! I am up for anything that is quick, easy and less of a mess especially if it costs less! If you could plz start your own thread and maybe we could get some insight on decapsulated brine shrimp.. | 
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January 12th, 2009
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| Well the last thing I want to do at this point is step on someones toes, especialy a MOD'S toes. But correct me if I am wrong, decapsulated shrimp dont hatch. Its like taking the egg out of a shell and freeze dry it. They are higher in nutriants due to the fact they still have there yoke. | |
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January 12th, 2009
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| Just remmber Kittenface14 that brine shrimp container will get real messy, it will look real bad. I will remove the adults to a temp container while I do a clean up and refill . | |
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January 12th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Toxic Well the last thing I want to do at this point is step on someones toes, especialy a MOD'S toes. But correct me if I am wrong, decapsulated shrimp dont hatch. Its like taking the egg out of a shell and freeze dry it. They are higher in nutriants due to the fact they still have there yoke. | Please step all you want thats why I put a question mark after hatch. I've been doing some reading around the net and If I under stand correctly ....when the outer shell is removed they are left inside a very thin sac for a lack of a better word. then this dissolves after being in the water a few seconds and the shrimp actually ate alive and swimming. They have more nutritional value because they haven't used all that energy breaking through the shell.
here's some of what I read. http://www.brineshrimpdirect.com/c1/...-Eggs-c21.html
If you google decapsulated brine shrimp eggs you even get instructions for decapsulating eggs your self.
I think it's really cool
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January 12th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Toxic especialy a MOD'S toes. | Mods have toes?  | |
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January 12th, 2009
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| I don't know about them hatching in the tank... that seems kind of dubious to me... If you decapsulate your own they definitely will hatch, though you have to set them up in a hatchery like regular BS cysts, and you get the benefits of greater nutrition (from not having to fully hatch like you said!), and you also avoid having to separate them from the empty shells so harvesting's simpler... just dump and rinse. It's not that hard to do, there's recipes to decapsulate all over online, and they keep for several days in the fridge so you can do up a batch at once, or longer if you dehydrate them and store them in brine.
The ones you buy pre-decapsulated are usually ones that wouldn't have hatched anyway, and they're decapsulated and dried to make them useable. Those won't hatch, but fish that don't require their food swimming will happily eat them as is as a dried food, and with most of the nutritional benefits of live baby brine. If you're looking for decapped cysts that would hatch, they have to be stored in brine, I'm not sure if any are avable like that or where you would find them. | |
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January 12th, 2009
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| Thanks Pandora At this point I'm just looking for an alternative to hatching BBS, although I've been hatching them for years the ones I've been getting lately aren't hatching well. I may get some (their fairly cheap) and try them.
A friend who has a fishhouse uses them and suggested them but I was wondering how widely their used.
According to all the directions I have found the Decapsulated shrimp eggs only have to be soaked in dechlorinated water for a few minutes before feeding.
Just some thoughts
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January 12th, 2009
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| If you're having poor hatch rates, and are willing to try it, decapsulating the ones you have can help with that and keep them from going to waste... It takes about an hour of soaking, and then about 5-10 mins of bleaching and rinsing, really not that much work if you do a batch or 2 a week. If you want to hatch them still, it does improve the hatch rate since there's just the membrane the little shrimp need to break through, and not the hard cyst covering, and the ones that don't hatch are also perfectly edible. If you have fry that need the visual stimuli of movement, that can work really well, since once they're in feeding mode they'll usually eat the unhatched cysts too just fine... If you have less finicky fish, you could just decap and feed them straight. I've never heard of them hatching in an aquarium, I wouldn't think there'd be enough movement to keep them oxygenated, but never know! If you try that, I'd be curious to find out how it works out
I've tried the dried eggs before, but betta fry don't like them since they don't swim lol. Definitely didn't hatch for me! If you know someone who can get them pre-decapsulated and still hatcheable, though, I'd think they'd be very worthwhile trying since there's no waste. | |
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January 12th, 2009
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| Yeah, neither of those will hatch... the soaking is to rehydrate so it doesn't just float at the surface, and to avoid the usual problems you can get with feeding exclusively dry foods. I think it was the Ken's I tried before. It's good stuff, the other fish loved it! Just not those pesty betta fry of course. It should be nearly as good as the fresh decapsulated, and a lot less time and effort for you than hatching them all the time. | |
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January 12th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Pandora If you're having poor hatch rates, and are willing to try it, decapsulating the ones you have can help with that and keep them from going to waste... It takes about an hour of soaking, and then about 5-10 mins of bleaching and rinsing, really not that much work if you do a batch or 2 a week. If you want to hatch them still, it does improve the hatch rate since there's just the membrane the little shrimp need to break through, and not the hard cyst covering, and the ones that don't hatch are also perfectly edible. If you have fry that need the visual stimuli of movement, that can work really well, since once they're in feeding mode they'll usually eat the unhatched cysts too just fine... If you have less finicky fish, you could just decap and feed them straight. I've never heard of them hatching in an aquarium, I wouldn't think there'd be enough movement to keep them oxygenated, but never know! If you try that, I'd be curious to find out how it works out
I've tried the dried eggs before, but betta fry don't like them since they don't swim lol. Definitely didn't hatch for me! If you know someone who can get them pre-decapsulated and still hatcheable, though, I'd think they'd be very worthwhile trying since there's no waste. | are you going to try them carol? ive heard so much good about kens from others and here on this forum...im thinking im going to try it because I go through sooooooo much brine shrimp that this would save lots! | |
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January 12th, 2009
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| All this is news to me, I have only been hatching them the old way for years. It sure would cut down on the mess with the shells...still would not help the mess the container I keep the adults in. On a side note, they are livebearers when you keep the adults going in a container, they only lay eggs if conditions are not right.
Last edited by Toxic; January 12th, 2009 at 11:44 PM.
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January 12th, 2009
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| I agree Toxic, it took me 4-ever to transfer the shrimp into the other container and the process is messy. I havent gotten to the feeding part since they say the first day no feeding is required because they dont have a mouth, but my fry love them!! hahaha | |
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January 13th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie are you going to try them carol? ive heard so much good about kens from others and here on this forum...im thinking im going to try it because I go through sooooooo much brine shrimp that this would save lots! | Definitely thinking about it Shawnie . The little devil angel fry are eating frozen cyclops now. I drop them on top of the bubble wand and they fly around the tank like their alive. I can't keep enough BBS hatched the way the eggs are not hatching. I've hatched them for years and have better luck in a glass jar, but the eggs I've been getting just aren't hatching right.
I've heard many good things about Kens foods also
Interesting article Peter Thank You :
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January 13th, 2009
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| im going to try some also...going to do an order right now...gotta be brave now n then LOL
edit: just ordered the small package...$15 with shipping...I spend that ever week just about ...cant wait to see how the fishies like them
Last edited by Shawnie; January 13th, 2009 at 04:08 PM.
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January 13th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Butterfly the eggs I've been getting just aren't hatching right.
Carol | Try testing your specific gravity (between 1.022 and 1.026) , has to on the money for them to hatch properly.
Last edited by Toxic; January 13th, 2009 at 04:22 PM.
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January 13th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Toxic Try testing your specific gravity (between 1.022 and 1.026) , has to on the money for them to hatch properly. | Yep I've been hatching them for over ten years though so I've been trying to figure out what the problem is all of the sudden. I read somewhere that the eggs being gathered weren't as good quality as they were. I just skimmed over reading it now I can't find the article anywhere AAARRRGGGHHH
Shawnie let us know what you think
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January 13th, 2009
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| im going to try them on the angel wigglers I have now..maybe I can get a successful group  | |
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January 13th, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie im going to try them on the angel wigglers I have now..maybe I can get a successful group | Wouldn't that be wonderful 
My newly free swimmers are eating frozen Rotifers, the next size are eating frozen Cyclops and the next size are eating frozen Cyclops and crushed flakes.
Whew it would be great to get to feed them all the same stuff for a bit.
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January 15th, 2009
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| got them today...2 days after ordering! the guppie/platy/convict fry love love them.. my angel fry are too small yet to feed them..they are just beginning to be wigglers...so havent got them in the breeder net yet...let me tell you, a little bit goes a LONG way ...cant wait to see if the angel fry will take to them...I used a 1/2 tsp to about 1/4 tsp of tank water to mix.... | |
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January 15th, 2009
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| Thanks Shawnie!
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