Bryan Wilie

first of all, sorry for the bad grammar,

my discus is nearly touching the aquarium ground, positioning like this (_) if we looked from back. the normal one looks like this ( I )
What disease were it infected?
I've treated my discus in a 57L quarantine tank with the medicine i bought in my nearest fish store, acriflavin*, it cures my other discus last time but now it didn't worked.
I think my discus was infected by different bacteria/ virus that makes different disease.
Please tell me what should I do..
I really love my discus.
Thx for the help, guys!

Shawnie

im sorry your fin babies are sick
do you know the tank readings for ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates? although im not a discus member, i do know most meds and fish do not mix well at all...and discus are super sensitive to such things.....why did you medicate them to begin with ? what were some of their signs to warrent medicine? what conditioner do you use for your tap as you say you dont use dechlorinators?

Bryan Wilie

i just aerate my water because my water doesn't contain much chlorine..
yeah, my readings for ammonia and nitrite is 0 and nitrate is on 10mg/L..
it used to indicate a white spot, but now the white spot is gone and i see the eye of my discus were popping out, used to be called pop eye right?
what med should i add to the tank?
I don't want to lose my discus again..
anw, thx for your reply shawnie.

Shawnie

ANY chlroine can kill fast..and most water supplies have chlorimydes now also...which wont disapait on its own without a dechlorinator ...so I would get some prime or amquel+ asap and do a partial water change...id do 30% as too much might not be good for them..make sure the tank temp is the same as your water..and make sure the pH isnt too much different from your tap to your tank....I would put a new carbon in to get the meds out....popeye is caused usually from bad water.....good luck and I hope matt comes around with more info! he has some beautiful discus

AlyeskaGirl

I am sorry your Discus are ill. Below is a link on Popeye. Keeping the water really clean is my advice....i hope the info from the article will help you.

http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/disease/popeye.php

Bryan Wilie

I have been medicate my discus for over 3 weeks but it haven't looked better. any disease that makes discus go black suddenly?
sorry for the bad grammar again.
and for AlyeskaGirl, thank you for your article, it has opened up my mind a little bit.
I'm thinking about including a photo in short time.
I hope anyone will see it clearer than what I just said.
thx for ur help again!

Bryan Wilie

Sorry for the bad picture too..
it's difficult to see his/her body from aside..
I'm expecting ur help pals.

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aquarist48

Hello Bryan. Sorry to hear your Discus is ill. See if the Discus Care Sheet will help you any (in case you may not have seen it) the link is below:
DISCUS CARE SHEET
Best wishes!
Ken

fish_newbie

Hi Bryant, acriflavin is used to treat fungus and external bacteria. Now, it sounds like your discus is suffering from Hexamitiasis, which is an internal problem and it is VERY common. Acriflavin would do the discus no good at all. Also popeye is a secondary disease that sometimes followed hex.

I haven't have much experience with this disease myself, I would recommend you this link. It has a bunch of common discus disease and how to treat them, click on Hexamitiasis and see if it fits the disease that you have.

http://www.simplydiscus.com/library/...al/index.shtml

I would stop Acriflavin and do a few water changes if I were you.
Also, if you can, can you describe the exact symptoms of the discus form start until present, anything would help (fast breathing, stay away from group, white poops, breath by 1 gill etc) . I'll get back to you as soon as I can. Good luck

PS: Your grammar is fine

Bryan Wilie

thx for the info, aquarist 48.. I've seen the care sheet the first time I joined this forum, it's really useful afterall, thanks bro!

and for fish newbie, seems like u're no newbie afterall.. Is daily water changes too much for it? My discus is breathing fastly, used to stay away from the group, and have some white poops. I think my discus is breathing by both gills last time i saw it but, now i can't see the other side of it.
Thanks about my grammar anyway fish_newbie
And would it be no problem if sick discus can't swim straightly like healthy one? like my photo maybe?

Thanks again for aquarist48 and fish_newbie

TedsTank

I'm so sorry to hear about your fish.. If he is dark and almost black...sorry...but that is not a good sign. Be sure your water quality is good and the temp is warm. He is in a real stress mode right now...for his life. Don't throw any more meds in there unless you can diagnose the illness.

fish_newbie

Hi Bryant, when the fish gill fluke (breeding by 1 gill), it doesn't breath by 1 gill 100% of the time, so you would have to take notice on when it does, another symptom is that it rubs its body onto anything in the tank (driftwood, ornaments etc). Ted's advice is very good, don't throw ANY med in until you can identify the disease and its the correct med.

About the water change, if the pH and temp from your tap water and tank water are identical, daily water change would be no problem, many discus keeper change up to 100% a day. I change 20% everyday and an extra 15% for every second day

Bryan Wilie

I change 50% once for 2 days. no, my fish doesn't rub itself to anything. I've successfully treated my discus with that symptoms last time. So, shall I medicate it with Hex-out? I'll try to find it in some petstore tomorrow.. thanks ted 4 the advice!

Shawnie

Im no discus owner by any means but I do know the black coloring is definitely a troublesome fish and they dont usually recover from that ..I would NOT add any more meds for now. as others have suggested a few times, and just be very rigorous on water changes ...did you get some water conditioner for them when you do the changes? ..

fish_newbie

Hi Bryant, the other time when you've successfully treated it because gill fluke is cause by external parasite, which acriflavin would cure effectively. Gill fluke is common, it normally suggest that the discus need the water change or there is a problem with pH or temp. I've always be able to cure gill fluke with a few large water changes over a few days period.

This time though, the gill fluke that happens to your discus seems to act as a secondary infection (when the fish is sick, it's immune system weakened and expose the fish to more diseases whose sources always exist in aquarium i.e fungus), gill fluke itself in my opinion wouldn't cause the discus to turn dark, I've never seen it. The acriflavin that you added may cured this secondary infection, but with a primary one, in this case hex, the fish will still be sick and can catch hole in the head disease and gill fluke back at any moment.

Since I haven't had experience myself with hex, I can't suggest any specific medication and dosage. So all I can give you is that very good link (the author is an expert, he is the owner of the site), and deciding to follow with the medication and dosage on that link is entirely up to you. Good luck.

TedsTank

Gill Flukes are parasites that are severely damaging to young weak Discus....Just been there and done that with mine...I could see them in the worst cases..kind of flutters out of the gills a wee bit when the water is pushed thru. There are cures for them but I think your fish is too weak for such treatments.

Bryan Wilie

I don't get any water conditioner, because of the same pH and temp from the tap water. and I have met with the H.I.T.H disease (that's how you call it, right?) and I used to medicate that disease using internal bacteria med from interpet.. Now my discus didn't have any hole in its head. And yeah I just do the same with only changing the water everyday for 50% and search the Hex-out tomorrow.. And for Teds, do you mean you saw that it can't hold its body to swim firmly then it's already to weak? I think so too Teds. I'm afraid the med will damage it first before start the positive effect.
Thanks for the response pals!

TedsTank

As a last resort you could try the salt bath....but since we have been unable to diagnose what is surely wrong with him....the bath will either kill him quickly or heal him if it is external parasites. I'm sorry but have no other ideas...its either wait it out or try something that wont affect the other fish in your tank. The salt bath is a dip done outside of the tank.