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Old April 8th, 2008  
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Mysterious Cory death

One of my three Habrosus Cory Cats died. I saw all three of them scurrying around, apparently happily, and eating Friday night (April 4). I saw no sign of illness. Then I noticed for two days and nights in a row I only saw two of them. That seemed unusual but it hasn't been uncommon to only see two at a time because they're so tiny and they have hiding places. I was worried, though, especially after seeing ammonia at .25 and sure enough found one dead last night (April 7). I think it had been dead for at least a day and I think that's probably the reason for the ammonia reading.

I've had them for about two months. They're still babies, about 1" long. (Habrosus are pygmies and only get to about 1-1/2".) They share a 6-gallon filtered and heated tank with a female Betta.

The temp is about 78 degrees. As far as I know, that's on the upper end of the scale for Habrosus, but acceptable.

My water readings since I got them have almost always been 0 for nitrites, nitrates and ammonia. The tank was cycled when I added them. There were just a couple of exceptions: one an almost unreadable trace of nitrite, and one about 3 ppm nitrate, both more than a month ago. (I don't know why the nitrates are almost always 0. I change about 25% of the water, but only every couple of weeks because of the 0 readings. Could this be the problem?) I use an AP test kit and test about twice a week.

I suppose it's possible the Betta killed it. That doesn't seem likely to me, though, because she's been a very good girl with them as far as I know. Besides an initial period of a few hours of her chasing them and nipping toward them (not actually nipping), I've not seen her do anything more than mildly chase them away when she's stealing their food. I know Bettas can seem mild-mannered toward the kind of tankmates that are usually considered compatible and suddenly turn, but it just doesn't seem like her to do that. She's just ignoring the two Cories today as usual, which also seems like a hint that she's not turned into a Cory-killing machine. I introduced her to the tank after the Cories.

Could it be a disease? What diseases can Cories get where there are no outward signs and then the next day or possibly two days later they're dead?

I read through this thread called "Help! Cory Cats on death row." It seems Trio123 was losing her Cories suddenly and without warning. I wonder if there could be a same or similar cause, although a cause has not been identified in that thread as of now.

I'm sorry this post is so lengthy, but I wanted to give you as much info as possible. I'm desperately hoping someone will have a good guess gleaned from some hint here as to what went wrong or what I can do to help save the other two cuties from the same fate.
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Old April 8th, 2008  
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Is your API test kit liquid? Are you shaking your nitrate bottle #2 just like the instructions state? You can get a false reading if you don't shake it vigorously for over a minute. I have been told, and do this, Strike it sharply on a hard surface as you shake it! This breaks up the crystals....which otherwise won't go into suspension, giving you a false reading.....

If your nitrates are really up around 40, that would account for losing your cory.

By the way, sorry he died, they are cute little tank mates.
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Old April 8th, 2008  
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Yes, it is the Aquarium Pharmaceuticals master test kit (liquid). I shake the nitrate bottle #2 for 30 seconds. That's what the card and more detailed instruction booklet say to do.

Even though the instructions don't say to shake for a minute and strike on a hard surface, I'll try that. API emphasizes the importance of shaking nitrate test bottle #2. Your advice makes sense, even if it's somewhat different from my API booklet.

Thank you the sympathy on the loss of my cute little guy or girl and a good idea. I'll let you know the results.

Last edited by pamd; April 8th, 2008 at 08:16 PM.
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Old April 8th, 2008  
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sustina-flower, I think you were right!!! I knocked around Nitrate Bottle #2 in a vigorous way as you suggested and found 20 ppm Nitrate! This was tonight, and who knows how high it was before a 30% water change last night. I think it was very likely the Nitrates killed the little guy.

The AP test has never shown more than 3 ppm Nitrate since the tank cycled over numerous tests and otherwise only 0 ppm. I've always followed API's instructions. Here are the ones for Nitrate:

1) 10 drops from Bottle #1.
2) Shake (about six seconds).
3) Shake Bottle #2 30 seconds (I don't see anywhere mention of "vigorously," although they do emphasize the importance of shaking it.)
4) Add 10 drops from Bottle #2.
5) Shake 1 minute.
6) Wait 5 minutes.

I thought the nitrate readings at 0 over and over again were kind of strange. I'm not positive, but pretty sure you're right. I think Bottle #2 needs to be shaken for longer than they say and maybe needs to be tossed against a wall in anger because of their instructions, which probably cost my dear little Cory Cat its life.

Needless to say, I'll be doing a big water change tonight and AP will be hearing from me. Thank you so much for being so smart and for your sleuthing.

Last edited by pamd; April 8th, 2008 at 09:13 PM.
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