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September 21st, 2009
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| Cichlids and morymids
Anyone here keep morymids with African cichlids? I have a 75 gallon with 6 giant danio (1 albino), 1 giant feather fin synodontis, 2 red zebras, a green severum, and a regular convict cichlid. I am also planning on adding about 15 more assorted African cichlids. Will one morymid work? | 
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September 21st, 2009
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| Can you be more specific? There are quite a few fish in the Mormyrus and Mormyrops genera that could be called "morymids", some of which are entirely unsuitable for home aquaria. http://www.fishbase.org/identificati...e=40&areacode=
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September 22nd, 2009
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| You can try anything, I don't know if I would.
Also the convict should do ok, but that sev you should probably think about. They are pretty layed back fish until they get some size to them.
Think about what kind of tank you want as you have Africans, C/A, and S/A in there. While some peple have had success generally it isn't that great of an idea.
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September 22nd, 2009
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| I agree with Brian - I think you should choose what type of tank you want to keep. Africans do best in a SPECIES ONLY set-up. They are too aggressive to be mixed with anything else. | |
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September 22nd, 2009
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| The convict is currently double the size of the Africans I've got. The severum is a refugee from my 125 gallon CA and SA setup with a 9 inch silver dollar, a mated pair of green severums, and 4 blood parrots ( 3 @ three inches and 1 @ eleven inches). All three severums are at 6 inches and when the 2 paired, they de-finned him and tried to kill him. My other big tanks are either saltwater, fancy goldfish, the tank in this post, a large male RES tank, a vicious 13 inch blood parrot solitary tank (she still lays eggs after 4 years in solitary), and a 90 gallon angelfish and clown loach tank that is moderately planted and he would mow down ( I give him cuttings from the tank  ). So he's got to stay. Plus he's the boss of his tank (being so much bigger than all the other fish they all flee when he comes, except the danios which at 4 inches fear nothing).  | |
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September 22nd, 2009
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| But as the africans grow - he will be killed. Africans are mean fish, as said before. Is there anyway that a LFS could take him in? | |
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September 22nd, 2009
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| the con shouldnt be an issue with africans....the red zebras are mild..but the severum wont have a good time with other africans nor will the danios..what else are you planning on getting for africans? ..if you plan on adding more as your op suggested, id remove them first....not to mention they both require different types of tank parimeters/food.... | |
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September 22nd, 2009
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| So can I leave him and the fish in there now, just not buy any more Africans? The biology teacher at my school has some cute green terror babies and I could add some less aggressive CA and SA cichlids to the tank. Like 3 more biggies. The LFS has some adorable baby flower horns that I could eventually transfer to the 125 if it got too big. Maybe a Senegal Bichir and an African Knifefish ? I might also be able to move the danios to my planted tank, and also the sword tail that I forgot to mention (whoops). I'd just have the catfish and the 2 Africans with the convict, the severum, a green terror, a flower horn,a Bichir, and an African Knife. If the flower horn or green terror grew too big I can move them to the 125. Will this list work better? I've also had very good luck with the big bruiser cichlids. Give them lots of food, some ping pong balls to attack, a couple mirrors, a T.V. to watch, and lots of attention and they all act like puppy dogs. I've kept lots of cichlids for the ten years I have had fish now including African mbuna, CA large and small, SA angels, rams, checkerboards, severums, acaras, geophagus (buying another for the 90) etc.
Last edited by fishfreak2009; September 22nd, 2009 at 08:54 PM.
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September 22nd, 2009
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| ...just a little somehting...I have a baby whale...he is the sweetest, shyest,easy going fish Ive ever had, VERY ,VERY mellow..they also do not see very well...I kinda think the need a very easy going environment, they will not compete for for ..or rather would not be able to compete for food... I keep my with a few livebearers. He is just awesome | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by fishfreak2009  So can I leave him and the fish in there now, just not buy any more Africans? The biology teacher at my school has some cute green terror babies and I could add some less aggressive CA and SA cichlids to the tank. Like 3 more biggies. The LFS has some adorable baby flower horns that I could eventually transfer to the 125 if it got too big. Maybe a Senegal Bichir and an African Knifefish ? I might also be able to move the danios to my planted tank, and also the sword tail that I forgot to mention (whoops). I'd just have the catfish and the 2 Africans with the convict, the severum, a green terror, a flower horn,a Bichir, and an African Knife. If the flower horn or green terror grew too big I can move them to the 125. Will this list work better? I've also had very good luck with the big bruiser cichlids. Give them lots of food, some ping pong balls to attack, a couple mirrors, a T.V. to watch, and lots of attention and they all act like puppy dogs. I've kept lots of cichlids for the ten years I have had fish now including African mbuna, CA large and small, SA angels, rams, checkerboards, severums, acaras, geophagus (buying another for the 90) etc. | the green terrors and flowerhorns will tear up your danio and severums....ive seen a flowerhorn thats as big as a human head..they can get too big too fast for that tank....why not just set up an african tank in the 125? that would be perfect..and if you have kept fish for so many years, you will know that africans are a species only tank or you might be setting yourself up for a war zone ....good luck tho! | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| Flowerhorns are best kept by themselves, so are you willing to give it your 125 to itself? I really think you need to decide what type of fish you want to keep, and sell the others to a LFS. It's what's best for the fish, and that's all that matters. | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| never mind with the flower horn or green terror then. Just thought they looked cool and I could have gotten the baby green for free. The 125 has to keep the fish in it that are already there because they are my mom's babies. One we have had for 10 years and the pet store we bought her from had her for 2 years before that. As for keeping the mbuna I have only kept these 2, along with the turtle's 55 which previously had 1 auratus, an african brown knife, a banded leporinus, and 1 very cranky 2 ft black shark (he killed all his tankmates then bailed. This was my fish jail for all my mean fish. I had 1 20 gallon and the petsmart told me they were all okay in there when I first bought them. I had only been keeping fish for 6 months at the time  ). I no longer shop for fish at petsmart, and I do try to find out as much about husbandry as possible now for my little fishies. Now back to the tank, could I keep the 2 red zebras, the green severum, the convict, a bichir, an African Knife, the 6 giant danios and swordtail (I can always move them if need be), and the catfish? | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| The danios & swordtail are going to be dinner - to be quite frank. | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| I'll take the swordtail and the 6 danios out then. I'll move the Red Zebras to a 30 gallon long by themselves (I have a divider for it if they fight). I'll just have a convict, the severum, and the synodontis. Then I'll add 1 Needle Nose Gar (Xenentodon cancila), 1 African Knifefish, and 1 Senegal Bichir. Will this work better? | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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September 23rd, 2009
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| maybe 3 then... would that be ok? | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| You're going to have a tank full of very aggressive fish, just realize that.
The bichir will eat anything that can fit in it's mouth, but prefer live food. So do the Needlefish. Are you willing to provide live food, taking into account the costs & extra filtration they would need? | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| 75 would be pushing the limit with those ...and the gar can get to 16 inches each...no room for all that plus the preditors...id go full blown african set up ....get the 15 africans you were going to get in the op, and return the rest... | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| i have 2 filters rated up to 125 gallons on the tank. As for the live food I'm culturing blackworms, earthworms, brine shrimp, and snails. I can buy a box of 1000 crickets for 10 dollars at the LFS, and they have baby and adult feeder crayfish very cheap ($0.79 apiece). I am also trying to start a ghost shrimp culture, and mysis shrimp breed like rabbits in my salt tank's refugium.
Last edited by fishfreak2009; September 23rd, 2009 at 04:04 PM.
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September 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by fishfreak2009 i have 2 filters rated up to 125 gallons on the tank. As for the live food I'm culturing blackworms, earthworms, brine shrimp, and snails. I can buy a box of 1000 crickets for 10 dollars at the LFS, and they have baby and adult feeder crayfish very cheap ($0.79 apiece). I am also trying to start a ghost shrimp culture, and mysis shrimp breed like rabbits in my salt tank's refugium. | what does all that have to do with lack of space for the fish you want? 
although raising your own food is much cheaper and more healthy  | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| I was writing this while your post came up. I was only halfway through writing this post.
If necessary, I can move the needle fish to the 125 when they get older.
Last edited by Shawnie; September 23rd, 2009 at 04:10 PM.
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September 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by fishfreak2009 I was writing this while your post came up. I was only halfway through writing this post.
If necessary, I can move the needle fish to the 125 when they get older. | I thought that was moms tank and you cant add things there? hmmm you are totally confusing me and you want fish that arent compatable or too big...id either go with all africans with your zebras, or return your zebras and do a nice large community tank with your danios and severums ... | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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| I can't put anything that will kill her parrot cichlids off (a flower horn). The Africans are going into their own little 30 gallon tank. The needlefish will not touch a 10 inch blood parrot. The danios and swordtail will go in my 90 gallon planted with my angelfish and loaches.
Sound better?
Last edited by Shawnie; September 23rd, 2009 at 04:31 PM.
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September 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by fishfreak2009 I can't put anything that will kill her parrot cichlids off (a flower horn). The Africans are going into their own little 30 gallon tank. The needlefish will not touch a 10 inch blood parrot. The danios and swordtail will go in my 90 gallon planted with my angelfish and loaches.
Sound better? | PLEASE dont post back to back posts ..use the edit button someone will come along with advice when they can
as far as sounding better, africans of any kind belong in a much bigger tank ....gars cannot go in a 125 with flowerhorns..they are too big (both of them) for them to all fit....although the danios and swords should be good in the 90 gal .... | |
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September 23rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by Shawnie ....gars cannot go in a 125 with flowerhorns..they are too big (both of them) for them to all fit....although the danios and swords should be good in the 90 gal .... | Sorry about that, I meant to say I would not add a flower horn because it would kill the parrots. I don't have the flowerhorns and will not buy them now. I just have 4 blood parrots, a silver dollar, and 2 green severums.
Last edited by fishfreak2009; September 23rd, 2009 at 05:04 PM.
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