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September 17th, 2008
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Well the newest one really scared me. This is posted more than 24 hours ago and it's the newest one, AFAIK. The previous two pics were posted Sept. 14. Hopefully hobzz will wake up and let the little guy get some air.
As far as I can see, the little guy is trapped in there. Hobzz probably thinks he's protecting him, though.
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September 17th, 2008
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| Labrynth fish actually dont require breathing air directly from the surface as long as the water is oxygenated properly... but if he is unable to freely come out of that bowl, then the oxygen level in the bowl is most likely low... and he will need to come out of it for oxygen.
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by clinton1621  Labrynth fish actually dont require breathing air directly from the surface as long as the water is oxygenated properly... but if he is unable to freely come out of that bowl, then the oxygen level in the bowl is most likely low... and he will need to come out of it for oxygen. | Hi Clinton...
Are you sure that the betta does not have to go to the surface for air? On all accounts that I have read, seen and experienced with the Labrynth fish is that they have to go to the surface for air. On normal filtered tanks with air stones, they still go to the surface for air. Would you explain this theory more, Id like to hear about it. thanks  | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by capekate Hi Clinton...
Are you sure that the Betta does not have to go to the surface for air? On all accounts that I have read, seen and experienced with the Labrynth fish is that they have to go to the surface for air. On normal filtered tanks with air stones, they still go to the surface for air. Would you explain this theory more, Id like to hear about it. thanks | Kate you are right.
They definitely need surface for air...it's why they talk about needing enough of it in small tank and unfortunately bowls.
They use the air to help make bubble nests, and to breath. They are labyrinth fish and need to go to the surface for air...it's the purpose of their labyrinth organ. It's what makes them labyrinth fish. 
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Allie They definitely need surface for air...it's why they talk about needing enough of it in small tank and unfortunately bowls.
They use the air to help make bubble nests, and to breath. They are labyrinth fish and need to go to the surface for air...it's the purpose of their labyrinth organ. It's what makes them labyrinth fish. | Hi Allie
Your preaching to the choir... lol.. I totally agree, having had D.Gouramis and Bettas I understand this to be true.
I asked Clinton to explain his theory for me...(and others as well), thats why I quoted his post. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by capekate Hi Allie
Your preaching to the choir... lol.. I totally agree, having had D.Gouramis and Bettas I understand this to be true.
I asked Clinton to explain his theory for me...(and others as well), thats why I quoted his post. | I am not quoting you to preach I was agreeing with you.  I fixed it. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| My Betta boys are telling me to let that poor guy out of that bowl! If you want to keep him in a bowl just get him out of there and set the bowl on the counter so he can breathe for goodness sakes......
This thread makes me very sad for one little Betta fish... | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Allie I am not quoting you to preach I was agreeing with you. I fixed it. | Hi Allie
Thanks.. I guess I misunderstood. Probably that the quote in question was mine. Maybe if you had used Clintons quote to answer his 'theory' I may have understood it better.
Thanks for clearing that up for me! Have a great day! 
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actually along these lines... I was under the impression that the labyrinth fish can actually drown if they cant get to the surface for air. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Martinismommy My Betta boys are telling me to let that poor guy out of that bowl! If you want to keep him in a bowl just get him out of there and set the bowl on the counter so he can breathe for goodness sakes......
This thread makes me very sad for one little Betta fish... | Me too...but if the kid is not going to listen to us. He'll learn the hard way and so will the betta. 
Different Betta species are from rice patty fields and small streams...not much else in the water beside them. So I really don't understand why people think that they can go with other fish period. Just b/c you want them to doesn't make it right for the fish. 
Part of fish keeping is learning to treat each species differently. Some people don't get that at all. Fish are not dolls to play with in a doll house and I wish some people would stop treating them as such. Even if they are a kid themselves. If different people are consisting telling you the same thing and you aren't listening then, you are the one who is wrong.
Someday the laws for furry animals will be applied to others and you'll have no choice to treat them right. Fish have feelings and intelligence, so they should be treated like they do. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| I've always said it not what we want, it's what's best for the fish.
Is this betta alive? Yes (at the moment)
Is it swimming happily about? I haven't seen or heard evidence of that. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| My line about the thread needing to stay positive was more referring to people angrily being flat out rude to him. Whether someone agrees with what he is doing or not is irrelevant to the point I was and still am making. I agree that those fish, by the time they are nearing adult size, will need a larger tank. I agree that the situation deserves caution as to whether those fish will work out together or not. However, most of us can, and have, found ways of giving advice without being rude, and that is what Fishlore is about.
Personnel Management 101: Get your point across to the other person in as nice a manner as possible for the best chance of your point being accepted as the way things need to be.
Back to the topic at hand...
Hobzz, I would agree that by the time the other fish (aside from the betta) get near adult size the tank will be overstocked as far as the bioload goes. May I ask if you have plans to get a larger tank or re-home the fish as they outgrow the current one? We ask these questions out of concern for the fish and their well-being.
I would also suggest giving the betta an opening so that he may get out of that jar and so that water can flow into and out of that jar/bowl. When water is not able to move in certain spots, such as inside an upside down bowl, in the aquarium, you create what are known as "dead spots". Those dead spots cause a lot of issues for fish, because oxygen levels in those areas get really low as well as build ups of bad bacteria that are normally filtered out of your tank by waterchanges and filters. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| My first thought when I saw that most recent picture was that the bowl was turned on it's side, not upside down... I am hoping that I am right! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| they guy is very smart he can get in and out with no problem. other fish come and leave without a problem its like the crystal dome where they feel save, other fish like the bala sharks arent that smart, they didnt eat today bc they dont kno how to get out, there is enough oxygen in the tank, i got two pumps going the one that i used for my hydrophonicks,, im not in shock they are all happy in there and they r getting along no fin neepin yet! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| Glad to hear that they are doing well so far and that the little guy can get out of the bowl! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by hobzz they guy is very smart he can get in and out with no problem. other fish come and leave without a problem its like the crystal dome where they feel save, other fish like the bala sharks arent that smart, they didnt eat today bc they dont kno how to get out, there is enough oxygen in the tank, i got two pumps going the one that i used for my hydrophonicks,, im not in shock they are all happy in there and they r getting along no fin neepin yet! | Thanks for clearing that up, hobzz. We worry about everyones fish, not just our own. lol | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| guys im getting some videos today to show u how he swims maybe ill get lucky and i show u how he comes out in feeding time and how he goes back!!! if im not wrong it seams like i made the biggest mistake of my life, and to me i feel kind of lucky for having a very smart betta  i will bring some proof of the betta in the strong currents !!! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Chief_waterchanger My line about the thread needing to stay positive was more referring to people angrily being flat out rude to him. Whether someone agrees with what he is doing or not is irrelevant to the point I was and still am making. I agree that those fish, by the time they are nearing adult size, will need a larger tank. I agree that the situation deserves caution as to whether those fish will work out together or not. However, most of us can, and have, found ways of giving advice without being rude, and that is what Fishlore is about.
Personnel Management 101: Get your point across to the other person in as nice a manner as possible for the best chance of your point being accepted as the way things need to be.
Back to the topic at hand...
Hobzz, I would agree that by the time the other fish (aside from the betta) get near adult size the tank will be overstocked as far as the bioload goes. May I ask if you have plans to get a larger tank or re-home the fish as they outgrow the current one? We ask these questions out of concern for the fish and their well-being.
I would also suggest giving the betta an opening so that he may get out of that jar and so that water can flow into and out of that jar/bowl. When water is not able to move in certain spots, such as inside an upside down bowl, in the aquarium, you create what are known as "dead spots". Those dead spots cause a lot of issues for fish, because oxygen levels in those areas get really low as well as build ups of bad bacteria that are normally filtered out of your tank by waterchanges and filters. | the size will be an isuue deffenetly but if im lucky and they grow well they will be set loose to nature!!! no more i can do!!! to be honest i havent tought about the adult size!!  | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| Please don't release them. They'll probably not survive or they might create havoc on the native species. It may in fact be illegal.
Perhaps you can give them to someone or return them to your LFS. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by clinton1621 Labrynth fish actually dont require breathing air directly from the surface as long as the water is oxygenated properly... but if he is unable to freely come out of that bowl, then the oxygen level in the bowl is most likely low... and he will need to come out of it for oxygen. | there is oxygen in there trust me!!!!  enough bubbles! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Lucy Please don't release them. They'll probably not survive or they might create havoc on the native species. It may in fact be illegal.
Perhaps you can give them to someone or return them to your lfs. | ok thats when they grow right  in like 4 years... | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| Hobzz, he needs to get to the top for a breath. Quote:
Originally Posted by hobzz ok thats when they grow right in like 4 years... | I'm not familiar with them, but you'd be surprised how quickly fish grow to their adult size. 
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September 17th, 2008
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| he is very free in the tank. he got strong, he couldnt move too much b4 he looked weak now he eats high protein blood worms he is on the road now. water changes will be in schudule more often i guess just concern on the bacteria tha can grow in the dead spots!
im reading guys im reading !!!! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| That's great, please know that every one here as your fish's best interest at heart. | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| To clarify what I meant....
I by no means meant that anyone should RESTRICT any fish from the surface. I also have had labrynth fish and I am fully aware of what a labrynth organ is and its use. What I meant was, they have the labrynth organ because the water they come from is poorly oxygenated, so they HAVE to surface for air because their gills alone cannot get enough oxygen to keep them alive... in a properly oxygenated tank however, they will rely on their gills to oxygenate themselves because they dont have to use their labrynth organ to get extra oxygen. I have noticed the difference in both bettas and gouramis in small unoxygenated tanks... yes they surface very frequently, but the same fish in a properly oxygenated tank will hardly ever be seen surfacing because they dont have the need to do so.
I hope that clarifies what I said =) | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by clinton1621 To clarify what I meant....
I by no means meant that anyone should RESTRICT any fish from the surface. I also have had labrynth fish and I am fully aware of what a labrynth organ is and its use. What I meant was, they have the labrynth organ because the water they come from is poorly oxygenated, so they HAVE to surface for air because their gills alone cannot get enough oxygen to keep them alive... in a properly oxygenated tank however, they will rely on their gills to oxygenate themselves because they dont have to use their labrynth organ to get extra oxygen. I have noticed the difference in both bettas and gouramis in small unoxygenated tanks... yes they surface very frequently, but the same fish in a properly oxygenated tank will hardly ever be seen surfacing because they dont have the need to do so.
I hope that clarifies what I said =) |
well to clarify, im againts restrictions, thats why i have a betta in a community because there are no restrictions, he has places where to leave and come back to the dome!!! simple!!! he can go up whenever he wants videos will come manana if u dont mind my spanish,, manana = tomorrow! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| Hobzz, I would look into rehoming the fish when they get large enough. Even in Columbia (assuming your flag shows where you live) there are laws against introducing non-native fish into the wild, and they carry expensive fines and penalties of both money and possible jail-time if caught.
The reason there are laws against it is because they eat fish that otherwise wouldn't be eatten as much, which tosses the ecosystem off balance. Just about everything in an ecosystem has a niche... a defined task that not very many other things do in that area, which, if left undone, would make the ecosystem different, and possibly kill off other things. 
Even one fish in a lake or river that didn't belong could wipe out entire species of fish. (The Snakehead is an example of this.) | |
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September 17th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Chief_waterchanger Hobzz, I would look into rehoming the fish when they get large enough. Even in Columbia (assuming your flag shows where you live) there are laws against introducing non-native fish into the wild, and they carry expensive fines and penalties of both money and possible jail-time if caught.
The reason there are laws against it is because they eat fish that otherwise wouldn't be eatten as much, which tosses the ecosystem off balance. Just about everything in an ecosystem has a niche... a defined task that not very many other things do in that area, which, if left undone, would make the ecosystem different, and possibly kill off other things.
Even one fish in a lake or river that didn't belong could wipe out entire species of fish. (The Snakehead is an example of this.) | COLOMBIA!!! U KNO IT!!
waaaaaaaaoooooowwwww i didnt kno thankx, if they grow then,, maybe ill ask you to see what can i do!! maybe an acuarium!!! not lookin for an arrest no no,, maybe we deseve that for keeping fish captive!!! omg just kidding!! | |
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September 17th, 2008
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| I was just reading in my local newspaper a couple weeks ago, that some hurricane that hit Florida a few years back, damaged some aquarium and allowed a few Lionfish to somehow get into the Ocean. Now they are thriving in the Caribean, since they have no natural enimies in the area, and are becoming a real problem. | |
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