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September 14th, 2008
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| Update on Plum
So plum still had fin rot. I've been treating him for probably more than a month now on different meds. Right now he is on Furan-2 and Rid fungus. His tail was starting to look better yesterday, but it looks worse today. I hate this. Poor little guy.  | 
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September 14th, 2008
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| Poor little guy. I'm going to just throw a few things out there....
How're the water parameters? Water temperature?
Are you using carbon?
Have you added a few drops of garlic to his water to help boost his immune system? | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| If he has been on meds for a month it is time to take him off them......Just keep his water super clean and add garlic guard/vita chem/ and fish protector....Fish build up a resistance to antibiotics....He really doesn't look that bad to me right now...He just needs time to re-grow his finnage.... | |
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September 14th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Red wag platy  So plum still had fin rot. I've been treating him for probably more than a month now on different meds. Right now he is on Furan-2 and Rid fungus. His tail was starting to look better yesterday, but it looks worse today. I hate this. Poor little guy. | awww poor lil man...let me show you something...my rafikki was totally finless from a long story short, jumping out of his bowl, floundering across the kitchen floor, covered in dog hair and being licked by my puppy!! I mean he was black and gray and didnt move...took me almost 2 months of daily water changes, fresh garlic and garlic juice, stress coat, and fish protector...but hes totally recovered...it was so hard watching him day after day ..but patience prevailed...so dont give up on him...try using some more natural things and maybe stop the meds for awile...I seriously never thought my boy would live.....I wish you well and ill say an extra betta prayer for you!!!! DSC05146.JPG <--day he tried to fly DSC05035.jpg <--one month later DSC08494.jpg <---a couple days ago... | |
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September 14th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Shawnie awww poor lil man...let me show you something...my rafikki was totally finless from a long story short, jumping out of his bowl, floundering across the kitchen floor, covered in dog hair and being licked by my puppy!! | It wasn't me this time. 
All good advice. Sending good betta vibes your way.  | |
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September 14th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Lucy It wasn't me this time.
All good advice. Sending good betta vibes your way. |  I told him it was auntie lucy ..she made me do it! | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| Awww this is great. I just spent all of my money on furan-2. I guess i'll try to gathr up some money I have lying around. Could i just soak pieces of garlic in his tank? I did get the 100 mL bottle of Aquasafe for only 4 dollars so I guess that's good. Do you see how his colors have changed? Could that be stress? | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| lol, If you put pieces of garlic in his tank, he'll probably eat them. So make sure they're tiny bits, like the size of the betta pellets.
It could be stress contributing to the problem. I'd advise using Stress Coat with Aloe, it'll help soothe him and helps with fin re growth. | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawnie awww poor lil man...let me show you something...my rafikki was totally finless from a long story short, jumping out of his bowl, floundering across the kitchen floor, covered in dog hair and being licked by my puppy!! I mean he was black and gray and didnt move...took me almost 2 months of daily water changes, fresh garlic and garlic juice, stress coat, and fish protector...but hes totally recovered...it was so hard watching him day after day ..but patience prevailed...so dont give up on him...try using some more natural things and maybe stop the meds for awile...I seriously never thought my boy would live.....I wish you well and ill say an extra betta prayer for you!!!! Attachment 18702 <--day he tried to fly Attachment 18703 <--one month later Attachment 18704 <---a couple days ago... | i never get tired of this story.....  | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| | Fish Master
| I need to put a head shot of Rafikki in an airplane lol...With a little pilot cap on..Whatcha think? lol | |
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September 14th, 2008
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Originally Posted by MinxMermaid i never get tired of this story..... |  | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| My bottle of aquasafe doesn't say anything about the aloe, but it does say something about a bioextract and it says it helps their slime coat. What do you think? Shawnie that story is so uplifting. | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| Stress Coat has aloe, I don't know about Aqua Safe. Stress Coat will also help with damaged fins, the slime coat as well as remove chlorine and other toxins from the water. | |
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September 14th, 2008
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| Im pretty sure aquasafe is a lesser version of stress coat...(is lesser a word?) LOL gosh my moments are bad tonite..and yes red its very uplifting and wanted to share it with you so you wouldnt loose hope  | |
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September 20th, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| If you can find Fish Protector (I order it online), that is tops for what you'd want for your little guy. It's amazing stuff and very helpful with fin rot. | |
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September 20th, 2008
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| Yeah. I'm trying to save up some money for that. | |
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September 21st, 2008
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| Isn't API Stress Coat almost as good as Fish Protector and pretty much the same idea? It's much more readily available, and I'm thinking it might be faster and less expensive for Red Wag Platy to pick up some Stress Coat rather than wait for/pay for shipping Fish Protector. I bought a small bottle recently for around $5 at Petco.
Isn't this the "magic trio" for healing torn fins?
- Fish Protector (or substitute Stress Coat)
- Garlic Guard (or substitute your own homemade garlic juice or bought from a grocery store)
- Vita-chem (available in some local and chain pet stores)
Of course, you'll need to go back to treating Plum with heavy-duty meds if he develops fin rot. Hopefully he'll start healing up just fine with the three more gentle additives.
- Aquasafe. I don't know much about Aquasafe but AFAIK it is a water conditioner that you'd generally add to tap water before introducing the new water to your tank. It's probably fine and claims to help your fishes' slime coat, eliminate chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals. But it serves a different purpose from Fish Protector, Garlic Guard and Vita-chem.
In the case of Garlic Guard and Vita-chem, you can soak the food in it. Dave recommends one to two drops per gallon of each per day dropped directly into the tank, plus Fish Protector, when treating for torn fins, as I recall.
Shawnie can tell you more from her direct experience with Rafikki, who magically revived with the "trio." (I, too, am a huge fan of the little survivor and his story, Shawnie!)
Last edited by pamd; September 21st, 2008 at 03:08 AM.
Reason: Spelled Rafikki's name wrongo! | |
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September 21st, 2008
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| How can I tell when he develops fin rot again? | |
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September 25th, 2008
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| | Fish Addict
| Quote:
Originally Posted by pamd Isn't API Stress Coat almost as good as Fish Protector and pretty much the same idea? It's much more readily available, and I'm thinking it might be faster and less expensive for Red Wag Platy to pick up some Stress Coat rather than wait for/pay for shipping Fish Protector. I bought a small bottle recently for around $5 at Petco.
Isn't this the "magic trio" for healing torn fins?
- Fish Protector (or substitute Stress Coat)
- Garlic Guard (or substitute your own homemade garlic juice or bought from a grocery store)
- Vita-chem (available in some local and chain pet stores)
Of course, you'll need to go back to treating Plum with heavy-duty meds if he develops fin rot. Hopefully he'll start healing up just fine with the three more gentle additives.
- Aquasafe. I don't know much about Aquasafe but AFAIK it is a water conditioner that you'd generally add to tap water before introducing the new water to your tank. It's probably fine and claims to help your fishes' slime coat, eliminate chlorine, chloramine and heavy metals. But it serves a different purpose from Fish Protector, Garlic Guard and Vita-chem.
In the case of Garlic Guard and Vita-chem, you can soak the food in it. Dave recommends one to two drops per gallon of each per day dropped directly into the tank, plus Fish Protector, when treating for torn fins, as I recall.
Shawnie can tell you more from her direct experience with Rafikki, who magically revived with the "trio." (I, too, am a huge fan of the little survivor and his story, Shawnie!) | What do you guys think? Could I use the API stress coat in place of fish protector? | |
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September 25th, 2008
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| API Stress coat is the 2nd best choice.... | |
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September 26th, 2008
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| I am not sure if it was said or I just missed it but lots of water changes to keep his water spotless to...good luck. | |
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October 3rd, 2008
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| Well guys, this morning i woke up and saw a piece of his tail missing. I imediately removed any potentially sharp objects and added some garlic juice. But when I got home from school today, I saw more missing, so I'm guessing it wasn't the sharp objects. Could have the fin rot have come back again? How would I be able to tell? Should I go back on antibiotics? As said earlier, they can develop an immunity to them, right? What should i do? So many questions! :P Time to start daily water changes! I'll try and get some pictures. | |
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October 3rd, 2008
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| Oh poor boy!
I dug out my aquarium bible and it's fin rot info says this....
"STERBA believes that enviromental factors are root cause. Infrequent water changes and too low a temp..."
I'm not sure if any of these suggestions will help you out and I'd wait till someone else comments before you try them, these aren't specifically for betta's so I don't know which of these should be avoided and which of these are hard to get but here's what the book says. "Many researchers feel fin rot is among the most difficult of diseased to treat. We suggest a bath with Trypoflavine (1g per 100 Liters) or such Sulphonamides as Albucid and Globucid (1g per liter of water). Proper temp and ccare also have positive effects. A six day immersion in Chloramphenicol is said to produce a cure (60mg per liter of water). Chloramphenicol is only available by prescription."
I don't know if any of those will help, my best advice is try to keep his tank in ideal condtions. Apparently the real risk to your boy would be getting a secondary infection.
I'm sending good vibes your way.
Last edited by Red1313; October 4th, 2008 at 02:18 AM.
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October 4th, 2008
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| Thanks Red. That's like what my A-Z tropical fish diseases book says. I'd rather use commercial fish meds than the chemicals they suggested because I'm not that experienced. Is there really a need to do a bath with those chemicals if there aremeds available? I've never correctly treated a fish disease, so I really want him to get better. | |
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October 5th, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| If you treat for fin rot, I would recommend treating with Rid-Fungus when using an antibiotic like Triple Sulfa. I think a lot of times, fin rot can need both types of meds to deal with the root cause and the Rid-Fungus is great for this since it won't add more harsh meds to the treatment plan. | |
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October 5th, 2008
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Originally Posted by Red wag platy Thanks Red. That's like what my A-Z tropical fish diseases book says. I'd rather use commercial fish meds than the chemicals they suggested because I'm not that experienced. Is there really a need to do a bath with those chemicals if there aremeds available? I've never correctly treated a fish disease, so I really want him to get better. | I've never either. I'd be a bit leary about useing the chemicals but listen to CO b/c they have way more experiance with this kind of thing then me. However if nothing else seems to work then you could maybe try the chem baths. There's a link on the site for converting metric to imperial if you need it.
I wish both you and your boy the best of luck,
and I'm sending the best vibes your way that i can. | |
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October 5th, 2008
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Originally Posted by COBettaCouple If you treat for fin rot, I would recommend treating with Rid-Fungus when using an antibiotic like Triple Sulfa. I think a lot of times, fin rot can need both types of meds to deal with the root cause and the Rid-Fungus is great for this since it won't add more harsh meds to the treatment plan. | Thanks. That's what i was treating it with. I was wondering though whether I should go back on antibiotics. Martinismommy said he just looks like he needs to regrow his fins, and that they also can become immune to antibiotics. On the other hand, he still has that great personality that I love. | |
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October 5th, 2008
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| | Master Of Fish Poo!
| Fin rot can be so tricky to beat out, Aslan fought with it for over 6 months.
What antibiotics have you tried? If possible, you'd want to go to a family of antibiotics that you haven't used, in case of a developed immunity. | |
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October 6th, 2008
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| I've tried the two Maracyns, triple-sulfa, and Furan-2. He was looking so much better, and than boom! I wake up one morning and some of his tail is missing. I'll try and get some pics up later tonight. | |
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October 7th, 2008
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| Are you sure it's fin rot and not him biting his tail? I don't really know much about fin rot but that sounds sort of odd to me. I'm thinking that Fin rot would likely be some sort of chornic infection. If his fins are starting to grow back then rotting back again that... doesn't make much sense. Fin Rot's a bacterial disease so unless somethings regularly stressing his system....
Never mind I guess, I need to think this out more. | |
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