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Old May 31st, 2008  
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I have also NOT examined carbon on any kind of molecular level.I work in a warehouse not a laboratory.I have only stated my experience with carbon,and that my experience contradictes many peoples,including the manufactures recomendations in when to change it.
Cheers to you Isabella,you made my evening interesting,and thoughtfull

P.S.Starting out a post with LOL,can and does offend people,and can start a conversation out on the wrong track,even if that is not what you intended to do.

Last edited by fishbum; May 31st, 2008 at 11:10 PM.
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Old May 31st, 2008  
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my question is, im wondering if randrjax is even following this thread ?
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Old May 31st, 2008  
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my question is, im wondering if randrjax is even following this thread ?
Probably not anymore,I kinda got it off subject a little,sorry to all,especially randjax
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Old May 31st, 2008  
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Fishbum, in case you haven't noticed, nowhere do I say "What I'm saying is right and my 'theory' is right". If you read carefully, my words include "I think", "I believe", or "According to my readings". All of these phrases in no way imply that I have some fixed theory and that I'm right. As I've said before, I don't have any "theories" as to carbon, but what I've said previously is based on my personal research (i.e. various readings and cumulative experiences/opinions of others). My opinion may be wrong, sure, I don't know that 100%. BUT that doesn't mean I can't at least try to give an advice that to the best of my conscience isn't misleading and will not cause harm to the fish of the fish keepers using my advice. That's the best I can do.

Now, there is always a "safety" measure a fish keeper can take. Firstly, we don't know 100% (or at least I don't know, since I am not a scientist who can examine activated carbon activity on a molecular level) whether the carbon's efficiency expires after a few hours, a few days, or a few weeks. Personally, I'd assume that the more toxins are in the water, the sooner the efficiency of a.c. runs out - so it would depend on how loaded with toxins one's tank water is. Now, since a.c. manufacturers recommend to change it about once a month, maybe there is a reason for it, don't you think? Don't you think they'd have to do a research on a molecular level to see how soon the efficiency of a.c. expires before actually selling a.c. to the masses? So, going back to the "safety" measure. Not being exactly sure when the efficiency runs out, it would never hurt anyone to take a precautionary step and change the a.c. BEFORE, rather than AFTER, its efficiency expires. We don't want to risk our fish dying of some toxic poisoning because we've kept the a.c. in our filters for too long as a result of which it leeched the toxins back to the tank. Therefore, it won't hurt to stay on the safe side. And that's my "theory" of the efficiency of activated carbon, Fishbum. And unless you can scientifically examine the activity of activated carbon on a molecular level, as well as the effects of it on tank water and fish health - also on a molecular level - and provide us all with a detailed and definitive report, I don't think you have a valid "theory" either, as none of us do.


That's exactly what I said and what I was trying to convey/make clear in my previous post - did you read it? And I definitely agree with it.
When did I suggest that you thought you theory was right??
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Old June 1st, 2008  
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The forums on the plant sites I go to all seem to think carbon is bad and purigen is good. I am trying it out, but I find it doubtful that it leaves beneficial nutrients alone and takes out the bad stuff.
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Old June 1st, 2008  
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I just dont understand why everyone it taking this to heart. Its like me telling you that Jelly on toast is better than peanut butter. Its a personal preferance.

(and by the way I like Jelly and Peanut Butter on my toast )
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Old June 1st, 2008  
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Well, given Dino's degree and experience in fish keeping, I'd go with his information. Carbon has been studied and tested in the scientific field.

But, running AC all the time in a filter is really an unnecessary step. It does dump what it captured back into the water and can be replaced with more efficient and neutral media, as SDS pointed out.

We've been running without carbon since last August, and our tanks have been healthier without it than they were with it. Plus, I'm saving money on buying AC over & over and time changing it out weekly.

Everyone is free to chose how/if/when they use carbon as we're each responsible for the aquatic life in our care.

Oh.. and I'm so offended about jelly on toast!
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Old June 1st, 2008  
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If you are talking "science" then most of those Webster definitions don't apply except maybe the second one. What you are actually throwing out are hypothesizes. A theory is a hypothesis that has gone through rigorous controlled testing and no one has been able to prove false. My hypothesis is that carbon works for about a week and is essentially inert for the rest of a month than starts feeding pollutants back into the tank. But it has been shown to remove the nutrients that people put into their tank to grow plants. This is a test that is easily verifiable.
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Old June 1st, 2008  
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Sorry,sirdarksol,but nothing you've said actually shows much of anything either.It seems to me like a few of you in this forum have come up with a theory that activated carbon only works for a few hours,and that now you expect everyone to believe you.The fact that you said you want to try some "experiment"proves that this is a theory,and that like most people here,what you think and give as advice,may very well not be true.
There is a difference, however.
I am responding to specific notes regarding your theory with knowledge of my own, based on an understanding of science, the amount of carbon we're putting in our filters, etc.
The responses that were given were "this person and that person said that carbon lasts longer."
This is why I responded the way I did.
Anyway, as I said, I will be doing an experiment to test this, as I'm curious about the potential results.
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Old June 10th, 2008  
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Sirdarksol - Please take no offense - So if I haven't said much - then what is it that you've said? I gave you information that has been given to me by a person who actually studied Marine Bio, is a Marine Biologist and that's not good enough? To dismiss it as 'just doing what they've been doing' is a little off base don't you think? They obviously do it for a reason and the reasons I've provided are based on that same information. If it didn't do anything, they wouldn't use it, know?

Something else for you to chew on - Those who employ water filters in their homes whose main water supply is from an underground well filter more than just "impurities in tapwater".....Those "impurities" come from all sources such as decayed plant matter, disolved minerals, heavy metals and such, much in the same way the filters in the aquarium do....The reason the carbon is added to your aquarium is to filter away these same impurities. Which is exactly another reason why they tell you to add fresh carbon when removing meds and to remove it altogether when treating illness.

And I wish I could find the article that I found a while back...It would answer a lot of your questions.....And not for nothing, but If I'm unsure about something, I usually ask the expert.....Sorry, I just don't like being dismissed like I felt I was.....

Last edited by vin; June 10th, 2008 at 05:03 PM.
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Old June 10th, 2008  
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Here is a site i visit and an old write-up about the use of AC. As with any tank of course, the variables of bio-load and other filtration being utilized. If you google AC and marine filtration, you will find articles that reference longer life times than 3-4wks, based upon water flow, quality/quantity of AC, and other factors.

Sirdarksol - this article also mentions a method for measuring AC performance in a tank.

http://www.malawicichlidhomepage.com...ed_carbon.html
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