EmmanuelJB

I have researched tons and still wasn't sure. My main concern would be when they become adults. What do you think? There will be alot of hiding places and a really good filter.

aquarist48

Hello Emmanuel and Welcome to Fish Lore. I would be hesitant to have 4 Angels in a 60g tank. Once you have some to pair off there could be major aggression issues. Too, if you have them all the same sex it would probably be even worse. Let's see what some others have to say.
Hope you enjoy the site!
Ken

ilikefish

i wouldn't have more than a pair... Buttt my LFS has had 4 5 inch angels in a 55g and they get along the LFS guy said that theyve been together since they were quarter size. Butt maybe he just got lucky.

mathas

The best answer you can get is "maybe, maybe not". Angels have very distinct individual temperaments... some are peaceful, some are quite aggressive. If you manage to get four angels that are passive, it might work out; if you get four (or even one) that are aggressive, it might not work out.

For the record, I had six juvenile angels in my 90g. Once two of them paired off, they claimed about two thirds of the tank and kept the other four herded at the far end.

dvc_r

My two cents:
I started with four angels in a 55 gal community tank. I had two pair up and one die which left one by herself. The pair tormented her so bad I thought I'd loose her too so I put her in another tank by herself. Although it was only a (small) 30 gal hex, I was fortunate enough to have another tank.

I see you have a 46 gal, is this 60 gal "in the process" of setting up? Also remember Angels need a WELL cycled tank. If it's a new tank (or less than 3 months old) I wouldn't do it yet. But on the flip side, once everything is ready you'll have the other tank just in case something goes wrong (ie, personality conflicts)!

PS: welcome to fishlore, I have a feeling we may be hearing from you a lot more.

EmmanuelJB

The 60 gallon isn't even set up yet I am just planning ahead. And yes I will be cycling the aquarium before adding the angels.

Shawnie

welcome to fishlore!!
Im going to say you can have 2 pair in a 60g...with lots of tall plants, it can work..but as with any cichlids, you must have a back up plan if agression takes over...but bioload wise, and swim space wise, theres room ...will they all behave, thats anyones guess...good luck!

EmmanuelJB

Are Fake plants ok because thats what I have?

eiginh

I've read that if they are introduced at a young age they'll be fine if given enough space. Just for emergency have a back up tank and have lots of plants or decor for territorial reasons.

EmmanuelJB

I have a 46 gallon aquarium that an agressive one could possibly be moved to.

Shawnie

as long as they more of a silk material and not plastic..their finnage as they mature, can get torn very easily

Shawnie

this is all pertaining to the same thing emmanueljb...starting a new post will only confuse as to what advice has already been given ....im sure members will be able to still continue to help with the same thread

with 4 angels, you can get away , if they arent terrors of the tank, with your cory's, platies and plec..imo, the angels wont tolerate the tetras..but maybe others have luck ...if they pair up and spawn, middle and top dwellers will be hounded...

Regal

I was typing a response to your other thread and it seemed to disappear...

Anyway...

I think it sounds like a good plan. If it were my tank, I would leave out the platys and danios and get more Rummy Nose Tetras but that's just because I really like them and they look good in a large school.
As far as the Angels, I think they will be fine. If you get lucky you will end up with two pairs. Do you plan to buy small Angels? Don't get large ones and don't get tiny ones. The size of a fifty cent piece would be best. You said you have another tank to put some of the angels in if they start fighting right? (I can't remember if I already responded to your other thread) Once you get them, watch out for one that seems isolated and spends most of its time in one spot. That's what usually happens if you have an angel with no mate in a tank with mated pairs. If that happens you should take that one out and re-home it.
It's good that you are doing your research before you buy fish.
Everyone has their own opinions and you have to weigh the options and decide for yourself but I would say start out with 4 or 6 small angels and watch them for signs of fighting. Live plants would be better but fake ones would be ok. Just watch for sharp jagged edges that could rip an angel thread. ( I think someone mentioned that in your other thread too lol) If you are out buying plants, pick up one Amazon Sword just to see how it does.
Just to make sure your tank isn't some unusual shape is it? If it's wide like a 55 then I think you will be fine.

EmmanuelJB

Thanks sooo much that was alot of help! The tank is unusually shaped. It is a hexagon.

Alasse

I had 9 of varying sizes in a 90gal, very little agression, some push you shove me type stuff, but nothing major. Down to 5 in there now, only due to me removing a pair to another tank to see if they will parent raise a spawn. and i sold a breeding pair to someone else to get them started.

The angel numbers in my 90gal will increase again, but as they are all quite large now, i'm wanting larger ones to replace the ones taken out, and finding decent size angels takes time sadly

EmmanuelJB

Also the angels will be young when I add them to the tank. Also Blue Platys or Zebra Danios? I am leaning towards zebra danios.

Regal

Now you are making me rethink my advice just a little. How wide is it?

EmmanuelJB

It has a wide surface area for a hex. 27x24x28 INCHES (LxWxH).

Meenu

Do you still have the pairing off issue if you get 1 male and 3 females?

EmmanuelJB

What do you mean?

Shawnie

yes you could..then you would have 2 that didnt pair be picked on ...

Meenu

Earlier posts mentioned that if the angels pair off into couples, then there may be aggression issues. I was just asking if those issues would still exist if you got one male and three females, making it impossible for two male/female pairs to exist.

Alasse

I did have 4 pairs and an odd one out. I currently have 2 pairs and an odd one out in my tank.

Over the years, i've added, removed, re-added pairs and individuals with little problems

I've never had major agression problems, no bullying as such, the pairs did push shove during spawning times, but other than that got along quite well.

Maybe due to my tank being heavily planted is why i've had no problems with multiple angels co-existing *shrug*

Shawnie

size of tank matters ALLOT..your tanks are pretty big arent they? anything under 55g, I wouldnt try more than one pair...I know mine would kill any other angel in my 55g ..but they are angelic when not breeding

mathas

While my perceptions are certainly clouded by my current mated pair of angels, I would not have high hopes for four adults working out long-term in a tank that only offers at most 27" of horizontal swimming space.

Regal

That's exactly how it is in my tank. They may get a bit of a bad wrap. I've never had angels kill eachother but I have seen an oddball with no mate end up miserable and spending all its time in one corner. My tank is 75 gallons and planted though too. Each pair seems to lay claim to a certain area of the tank. In a tank thats 2 foot wide they are going to have trouble doing that. I'm thinking now that even though it's 60 gallons, with the shape being tall rather than wide it might be better to get 2 small angels and watch for problems as they grow.

When they are breeding... keep your hands away!

Alasse

Yes my current tank is 5'x20"x18", but i did keep them in a 4'x15"x15" before that, and a 3'x1'x1' for a time. I've also successfully kept 2 pair in a planted 2'x18"x18"

Like i said, i've never had an issue, but then i'm not saying other may or may not, just that is is possible

Regal

before I rush off to do my water change I thought I'd share a picture that demonstrates just how aggressive angels can be.

This is my arm and the red marks are bites from the two angels in the second picture. I was trying to get in the tank to get the leaf that their eggs were on because there were multiple pairs in the tank with eggs at the same time. When it gets crazy like that I usually just pull out all the eggs to calm things down.

They were NOT having that! See where some of the marks are long? That's from mom hanging on while I tried to delicately shake her loose. She kind of skidded off my arm, leaving a trail behind.

Attached Images

	angel fish bites.jpg (27.7 KB, 23 views)
	grey free swim in 75 2.jpg (25.6 KB, 23 views)

bolivianbaby

Ouch!!! Talk about pictures speaking louder than words That's a great example of the cichlid personality when there are babies involved.

EmmanuelJB

Would 4 angel of the same gender work so they can't pair off?
And how does this sound with the 4 angels in a 60 gallon:
8 Gold Pristella Tetras
8 Rummy Nose Tetras
4 Cory Cats
1 Rubber Pleco
6 Blue Platies or 6 Zebra Danios (Danios Or Platies?)
+The 4 Angels...
What do u think?