mjordan

ok so i have a choice...
i could get 4 bolivians for my 29 or 4 GBR...
azgarden the website i would be ordering from is in arizona selling both species...
ive always heard bolivians are hardyer but i have always like german blue rams better... maneyly because of coloration and more sifficient information
which to go with

they sell them unsexed which is my only concern because i realy wanted a garentee of 1 male to 3 females.

but if odds are in favor i will get 2 and 2..

the stoking plan for this tank is hevialy planted with 4 gbr or bolivians, 6 neon tetra, 3-4 otto catfish, red cherry shrimp.


i wait happily for a repply even a simple g or b.
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Butterfly

Bolivians are also larger and very pretty but...My heart belongs to German Blue Rams Mine actually meet me at the top of the tank and beg for food LOL
The Red Cherry shrimp will most likely become snacks with either
Carol

mjordan

really u think they will becom a snack.

i thought otherwise...
i know they are bottom dwellers but i thought because of there size and because it eas a hevilly planted tank they prob wouldnt bother with them...


but then again that was a personal opinion...
well i will definetly research that then




wat do u think about them being sold unsexed and would u think ill be overstocked.

i have asked around and knowbody said i would be but who knows...
its cuttin it close

Butterfly

When setting up a tank for Rams you want to aim for 1 male and two to three females. I don't think I would like the idea of getting them unsexed either but sometimes it is hard to tell. Personally I would go with the GBR and 6-8 Neon Tetras.
Here's a link with some good ways to tell the gender of your Rams http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/cich...manblueram.php
I'm afraid the Red Cherry Shrimp might not survive the Rams.
Carol

Blub

I second that, Carol. For a Cichlid, shrimp = food!

Personally, I'd decide wherever or not I could really handle the challenge of the more difficult GBR. Personally, I prefer the look of Bolivians - they're not as beautiful but IMO much cuter.

Good luck!

mjordan

ok well this isnt cool...

if i cant rcs this might mess things up


arg! i wanted them so bad. i wanted them as bad a the gbr...
i know wat your thinking fishlorians and no i would not give up getting gbr or bolivians for these guys i just with there was a way

mjordan

i have made up my mind i am going to put a post up in a few different sections to see wat other people think. no that i dont belive u guys but this was one of the key things i wanted in this tank...

Blub

Sorry about RCS.... Shrimp generally aren't that happy with fish around unless the fish are tiny! I know that from exprience. To be honest, RCS aren't that exciting, I've had them myself.

mjordan

ok but how many did u have

travie

You really don't want to get them in a 1 to 3 ratio. 2 to 2 ratio would be ideal. These cichlids pair up to form what has been documented as monogamous pairs. Livebearers or any fish that doesn't pair up are good for the 1 to 3 ratio.

Blub

About 6 (I was planning to breed them!) in a RCS only tank.

mjordan

that may have been the prob i was going 4 30ish

Blub

Eek... Where I live RCS are about $3.70! That would be a lot of money of shrimp... Over $100! Since I was going to breed them, I decided to let them up the count themselves.

David593

Holy cow. Over $100 dollars for shrimp? sorry but I only see shrimp as food not pets. Theya ren't that excited IMO...

I would definately get the rams over shrimp.

mjordan

on aquabid i can get them around 1 buck a piece... drs. there 5 and locally there 5...

aquabid has cheep everything.
everybody has low prices

Blub

Woah cool! I was wondering if you acctualy intended to spend so much on any kind of pet, espacially one so easily bred!

So, have you decided what ram you want yet?

jack--sos

in my opinion Bolivians Are much prettier than GBRs, IMO GBRs look abit artificial with such a wide range of bright colours on one fish, its not my thing . i also love the face that bolivians are always smiling . mine always swim to the front of the tank when they see me its so cute

mjordan

i think german blue ram but its not quite set...

Blub

Yeh Bolivians really hit thw cute factor! I can't wait to get some females for my male to hang with.

mjordan

wat color are/is yours.

i looked and found like pinks and blues..
only problem is that the best picture they can get so i was wondering if u had pics or if they are truely like the pictures from online retailer say they are...

i have seen the blue ram in tanks but not the bolivian...
thanks very much

Blub

A lot of the really flashy bolivian Ram pics out there are breeding colours - normally they look more ike this: http://www.aquahobby.com/gallery/e_B...tispinosus.php
They have lots of sheens all over their body.

mjordan

thanks that helps

how many male and female are there

cerianthus

For 29 G, definitely GBR. Have you look into GBR thru local Auarium society or Cichlid Club, if available. These are the best places to obain very healthy, rare species, and also cheap, from local breeders just like you and I. Should be able to sex them for you.

However you may obtain GBR, if one pairs off, may need to prepare for breeding/rearing tank.

kacie

Hi, I have a tank set up similar to what you are thinking about. I have 2 Bolivians (I got them from atlantis hatchery and they sexed them and sold me one male and one female), 6 neons, 3 ottos and 2 Khuli loaches. The tank is colorful and seems very well balanced. I love my Bolivians. The male is developing some very nice fin extensions, getting more yellow everyday, and has a nice pink tone to his belly. I love watching thier antics. The female is always trying to sneak over into the males territory.

Those GBR's really melt your heart though but my pH is too high for them.

mjordan

i use RO water so i control my ph @ 6.8 most of the time.
i already have khili loaches in my 10g, 3 of them.

hope 4 more info thanks