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Old June 3rd, 2007  
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Plants and lighting

Ok so i have a incandescent hood with two 10 watt Fluorescent bulbs. They give off bright and intense light. Which plants would be easy to take care of with this sort of lighting?
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

Is it for the 15 gallon in your signature or another tank? if it's the 15 gal, you have just barely more than 1 watt per gallon, which would mean you would want moderate to low light plants like hornwart, anacharis, amazon sword, guppy grass, and java moss. Personally, I would avoid the java moss and hornwart unless you're not as particular about the cleanliess of you tank as I am. T. he hornwart was a breeding ground for snails and the java moss trapped all the food the fish didn't eat and just looked yucky. anacharis and sword plants are my favorites so far.
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

I agree with hamstermann except that I love my hornwort...
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

for low light, some other options are java fern, hygros, water sprite, anubas, apons, etc.

if it is the 15 gal, i'm thinking a sword would get too large.
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

yeah its my 15 gallon... i've read in an article that swords grow a bit large...
so im guessing only plants that would do best in low to medium light will do
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting


Hornwort at times is mistaken as a frill plant, as they look alot alike. Hornwort is a more bushy plant and heavier in color than the frill plant that is a lighter green and more delicate. I took out all the hornwort out of my tanks, since they shed like crazy and made an awful mess in the tank. The frill plant does not shed and grows very fast.
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

i have a 75gal tank with african cichlids what would be the best plants to put with them
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

I've a 20wat fluorescent in my 67gal,it came with the tank. Is it enough light for the plants? I have a 10wat in my 8gal and its far more brighter than the 67gal.
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

nope. You want at least 1 watt per gallon for low light plants and generally speaking, the more light you have, the better. 3 WPG is best for most aquatic plants.
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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. 3 wpg is best for most aquatic plants.
3 wpg?
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Old June 6th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

are you asking what wpg is? it's watts per gallon

for a 67 gal tank, you probably want around 134 - 200 watts for most plants, you can go with lower, but it limits your growth rates and plant choice. but it also decreases your need for extra fertilizers

it's up to you what you want to do
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Old June 13th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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i have a 75gal tank with african cichlids what would be the best plants to put with them
I have ehard that the african cichlids will tear up your plants. You can try a hardier plant like a sword and see what they do because all fish are different and maybe yours will like the plants

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Old June 19th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

hi all,
what is the impact to the fishes if we use 1watt/gallon light? WIll it be too much for the fishes to handle?

I am now using the blue-colored light for my aquarium..the fishes seems not bothered, but i know that it is not enough for the plants growth. I had recently introduce CO2 to my aquarium and still monitoring if the plants will grow...or not..

I feel like the plants are growing slightly or is it just my imagination? ..hehehe...
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Old June 19th, 2007  
vin
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Originally Posted by tb19
Ok so i have a incandescent hood with two 10 watt Fluorescent bulbs. They give off bright and intense light. Which plants would be easy to take care of with this sort of lighting?
Well, I can tell you this - you either have an incandecent hood or a fluorescent hood....Are they tube lamps or to they screw in to the fixture? That would determine how easy it would be to manage your wattage without creating excess heat....That's not saying you cannot get screw-in fluorescent lamps to fit an incandescent hood, but they are generally more difficult to find for aquarium use and their ballasts are quite large.

Generally anywhere from 1-3W per gallon should be sufficient for plant growth....I have very easy plants to grow...My background plants are swords, my mid ground plants are red cryptocorine and my foreground plants are anubeus nana....Never need fertilize...just plant and go....I occasionally thin them out to promote growth and with the exception of the nana, I have split them several times. The nana has more than doubled its size over the past year and has just sprouted its second flower.
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Old June 19th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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Well, I can tell you this - you either have an incandecent hood or a fluorescent hood....Are they tube lamps or to they screw in to the fixture? That would determine how easy it would be to manage your wattage without creating excess heat....That's not saying you cannot get screw-in fluorescent lamps to fit an incandescent hood, but they are generally more difficult to find for aquarium use and their ballasts are quite large.
you might not be able to find the right bulbs that will fit at a LFS, but walmart, lowe's, home depot, and places like that will have the bulbs. (this is assuming you need the screw in bulbs)
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Old June 22nd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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Originally Posted by tb19
Ok so i have a incandescent hood with two 10 watt Fluorescent bulbs. They give off bright and intense light. Which plants would be easy to take care of with this sort of lighting?
Well, I can tell you this - you either have an incandecent hood or a fluorescent hood....Are they tube lamps or to they screw in to the fixture? That would determine how easy it would be to manage your wattage without creating excess heat....That's not saying you cannot get screw-in fluorescent lamps to fit an incandescent hood, but they are generally more difficult to find for aquarium use and their ballasts are quite large.
I'm guessing that he has the same things that I have, fluorescent lights with incandescent bases. They're pretty cheap at Drs Foster and Smith. They draw the same amount of power, but because they don't waste as much energy on heat (you can actually touch them while they're lit and they're just hot, not scalding), they produce more candles of light than an incandescent of the same wattage. They are really popular as home lights, because you can get the equivalent of a 55 watt light bulb in something like 10 watts.

Actually, I have a note/question on the same line. I've had two of these in a 10g tank's hood for a couple of months now, and all of the plants seem to be burning out, unless they are in shadow. For example, I've got water wysteria that the top of is yellow/brown, but the bottom is flourishing and bushing out. Once it reaches beyond the edge of the top's shadow, however, it begins to brown. I've got myrmio that has died off completely, and chain sword that has burned, except for two leaves that are hidden under a piece of driftwood.
I bought all of this from Drs Foster and Smith, and split the plants between this 10g tank and a 29g tank with a single fluorescent tube in the hood. The weird thing is, in the 29g (which shouldn't have enough light for much of anything, all of the plants are flourishing. The wysteria is beautiful and green, the myrmio (which is supposed to be a high-light plant) has already grown tall enough that it has to be trimmed, and the chain sword is well on its way to taking over the bottom of the tank. The two tanks are sitting on the same wall of a room, about 12 feet away from a large bay window that has bamboo shades, as well as a large tree in front of it, so I don't think they're getting an excess of sunlight, but I could be wrong.
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Old June 22nd, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

that's interesting about the burning plants. i'd heard similar things, but only when low light plants like anubas and java ferns were placed under super high light.

i wonder if there are other contributing factors.
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Old June 23rd, 2007  
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that's interesting about the burning plants. i'd heard similar things, but only when low light plants like anubas and java ferns were placed under super high light.

i wonder if there are other contributing factors.
There might be, but I think I've matched all of the plants' parameters, other than light. (I'm no master of this, though, so I could be wrong)
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Old June 25th, 2007  
vin
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Well, I can tell you this - you either have an incandecent hood or a fluorescent hood....Are they tube lamps or to they screw in to the fixture? That would determine how easy it would be to manage your wattage without creating excess heat....That's not saying you cannot get screw-in fluorescent lamps to fit an incandescent hood, but they are generally more difficult to find for aquarium use and their ballasts are quite large.
you might not be able to find the right bulbs that will fit at a lfs, but walmart, lowe's, home depot, and places like that will have the bulbs. (this is assuming you need the screw in bulbs)
I'm not aware of any compact fluorescent lamps that come with water proof ballasts in the size they would need.....
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Old June 25th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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Originally Posted by tb19
Ok so i have a incandescent hood with two 10 watt Fluorescent bulbs. They give off bright and intense light. Which plants would be easy to take care of with this sort of lighting?
Well, I can tell you this - you either have an incandecent hood or a fluorescent hood....Are they tube lamps or to they screw in to the fixture? That would determine how easy it would be to manage your wattage without creating excess heat....That's not saying you cannot get screw-in fluorescent lamps to fit an incandescent hood, but they are generally more difficult to find for aquarium use and their ballasts are quite large.
I'm guessing that he has the same things that I have, fluorescent lights with incandescent bases. They're pretty cheap at Drs Foster and Smith. They draw the same amount of power, but because they don't waste as much energy on heat (you can actually touch them while they're lit and they're just hot, not scalding), they produce more candles of light than an incandescent of the same wattage. They are really popular as home lights, because you can get the equivalent of a 55 watt light bulb in something like 10 watts.

Actually, I have a note/question on the same line. I've had two of these in a 10g tank's hood for a couple of months now, and all of the plants seem to be burning out, unless they are in shadow. For example, I've got water wysteria that the top of is yellow/brown, but the bottom is flourishing and bushing out. Once it reaches beyond the edge of the top's shadow, however, it begins to brown. I've got myrmio that has died off completely, and chain sword that has burned, except for two leaves that are hidden under a piece of driftwood.
I bought all of this from Drs Foster and Smith, and split the plants between this 10g tank and a 29g tank with a single fluorescent tube in the hood. The weird thing is, in the 29g (which shouldn't have enough light for much of anything, all of the plants are flourishing. The wysteria is beautiful and green, the myrmio (which is supposed to be a high-light plant) has already grown tall enough that it has to be trimmed, and the chain sword is well on its way to taking over the bottom of the tank. The two tanks are sitting on the same wall of a room, about 12 feet away from a large bay window that has bamboo shades, as well as a large tree in front of it, so I don't think they're getting an excess of sunlight, but I could be wrong.
The easiest way to convert incandescent to fluour. is to multiply the wattage of the incand. x 3-4....So for example, 15w incand. = 45-60w fluor.

I'm guessing you use mini compact fluorescents?
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Old June 25th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

Actually, no, the normal sized ones fit in the ballast that came with the tank.
Thank you so much for the multiplication info. That's probably why my plants are suffering. Before I unscrewed one of them, the plants were under the equivalent of 12+ WPG.
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Old June 25th, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: Plants and lighting

the conversions for incand to fluor bulbs might be approximately right. however, wpg usually refers to fluor watts as opposed to incand.
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Old June 25th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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I'm not aware of any compact fluorescent lamps that come with water proof ballasts in the size they would need.....
i'm not sure where you're located or where they're located, but i know in the us, they're all over the place. wal-mart, lowes, home depot, and if you're lucky, sometimes even the dollar store will have bulbs that will work. it's what i use for almost all my tanks.
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Old June 26th, 2007  
vin
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Re: Plants and lighting

I'm in CT....I guess I just haven't looked hard enough...Not too long ago there was no such thing.....
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Old June 27th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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the conversions for incand to fluor bulbs might be approximately right. however, wpg usually refers to fluor watts as opposed to incand.
I'm not sure how, but I believe that there is a difference between a 15W tube and a 15W compact bulb. The compact bulbs light a tank quite a bit better than the equivalent fluorescent tube.
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Old June 27th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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I'm not sure how, but I believe that there is a difference between a 15W tube and a 15W compact bulb. The compact bulbs light a tank quite a bit better than the equivalent fluorescent tube.
i will agree with you that they look different. however, i'm not sure how drastic the difference would be. is the difference because when you're using the bulbs, you usually use two, whereas the tubes, you usually use one?

with a tube, you'll generally get less restrike, making it a "better" bulb, but i prefer the bulb ones because you can get a wider range of wattages and it's easier to just keep one kind of bulb around (for aquaria and regular house lighting).
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Old June 27th, 2007  
vin
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Re: Plants and lighting

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the conversions for incand to fluor bulbs might be approximately right. however, wpg usually refers to fluor watts as opposed to incand.
I'm not sure how, but I believe that there is a difference between a 15W tube and a 15W compact bulb. The compact bulbs light a tank quite a bit better than the equivalent fluorescent tube.
Being in design and construction, we talk lighting all of the time....It's a simple formula that our lighting designers passed on to us. Yes, the fluorescent wattage is for that lamp - however the light output would be comparable to an incand. bulb....As for CFLs lighting a tank better than a tube - again - it all comes down to color. a 15w CLF is the same as a 15w tube.
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Old June 27th, 2007  
vin
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Originally Posted by sirdarksol
I'm not sure how, but I believe that there is a difference between a 15W tube and a 15W compact bulb. The compact bulbs light a tank quite a bit better than the equivalent fluorescent tube.
i will agree with you that they look different. however, i'm not sure how drastic the difference would be. is the difference because when you're using the bulbs, you usually use two, whereas the tubes, you usually use one?

with a tube, you'll generally get less restrike, making it a "better" bulb, but i prefer the bulb ones because you can get a wider range of wattages and it's easier to just keep one kind of bulb around (for aquaria and regular house lighting).
It may be easier from a storage standpoint, but you can get T5 and T8 tubes in a wide array of wattages and temperatures.
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Old June 27th, 2007  
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Re: Plants and lighting

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It's a simple formula that our lighting designers passed on to us. Yes, the fluorescent wattage is for that lamp - however the light output would be comparable to an incand. bulb.
this one, i seriously doubt. are you telling me that a 15 watt fl bulb will produce as much light as a 15 watt incand bulb? i'm sure that's not the case since the 15 watt fl bulb is a lot brighter.
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Old June 27th, 2007  
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It may be easier from a storage standpoint, but you can get T5 and T8 tubes in a wide array of wattages and temperatures.
entirely possible, but again, i was merely stating my preferences.
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