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Old June 1st, 2007  
Fish Bum
 
Cycling

Do I put plants in while I'm cycling a new 58 gallon aquarium? How long should I wait before adding fish? What are the basics I need to know?
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Old June 1st, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

There are threads almost daily about the proper method for fishless cycling. In actuality, a Google search will result in hundreds of links and each of those will give you slightly different instructions. I wanted to cover two of the most common ones and their advantages and disadvantages.

Let me start by saying that when you cycle a tank, you are really cycling the filter. That is where the vast majority of the nitrifying bacteria will colonize. Some bacteria are present on the tank walls, decorations, and in the substrate but for the most part they are in/on the filter. Basically, there are NO nitrifying bacteria present in the water itself.

First, a couple things that are common regardless of which method you use. Obviously, you set up the tank with clean, dechlorinated water. I believe it is best to fill the tank and let any sand/gravel dust or cloudiness settle for a few days before you add ammonia. This will prevent cloudy water from giving you a skewed reading when you test. Second, raise the water temperature to the mid to upper 80s. I have even had success with temperatures in the low 90s. The warmer water promotes bacteria growth and will speed the cycle. Also, you will need to add extra aeration via an air stone and air pump. The warmer water temperature will force the oxygen from the water so you must add aeration to replenish it.

Items Needed:

Bottle of pure ammonia. If you don't know where to find it, this thread may help you. Pure ammonia will only list ammonia and water as ingredients. Chelating agents are ok. Without going into great detail, that is simply a bonding agent that keeps the ammonia and water "mixed". If it lists dyes, fragrances or surfactants, you don't want it. If the bottle doesn't have an ingredient label, shake the bottle. If it foams, it won't work. A few air bubbles that disappear immediately are ok.
A good test master test kit. Get a good liquid master test kit. Those generally contain tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH and high pH. You won't necessarily need the pH tests during the cycling process but you will later. I would also suggest getting a KH test kit too although, once again, it's not necessary for the cycling process.
A medicine dropper. Any cheap one that you get at the local drug store will do.

While you are waiting on the dust to settle and the water to clear, I suggest you do a couple things. First, test the parameters of your tap water. It is important to know the pH and KH of your tap water so you will know what fish are compatible with your pH. It is also very important to know if there is any ammonia, nitrite and nitrate in your tap water. A lot of municipal water supplies have some or all of those present and well water could also have them present. Knowing that could save you a lot of head scratching later when you have an elevated level that may be caused by your tap water rather than a problem in the tank.

You should also run a little test to determine how much ammonia to add to your tank. Since medicine droppers come in all different sizes, it's hard to say that you need X drops per gallon to get to 5 or 6 PPM to start. I have 3 different droppers for adding fertilizers and for drawing tank water for testing and there is a big difference in the size drops they dispense. Take a small bucket, one of the buckets you used to fill your tank or wash you're sand. Fill it with water and then add 2 to 4 drops of ammonia per 5 gallon of water. Swirl it around to mix it and test to see what the ammonia reading is. Continue to do this until your reading is 5 to 6 ppm. Remember how many drops of ammonia you added and then, some simple maths will tell you how much to add to your tank to get the 5 to 6 ppm required to begin cycling.

Ok. Your tank is set up, the water has cleared, and you know how much ammonia to add. Let's get started.

"Add and Wait" Method

This is the method I have used to cycle 5 tanks (from 2.5 to 75 gallon) and it has worked perfectly. I think it is the simplest and requires the least amount of work. First add your ammonia to raise the level to 5 to 6 ppm. Now you simply wait on the ammonia to drop back to around 1 ppm. Spend the time researching the fish you like and see if they are compatible with each other, with your tap pH, tank size, etc.

Test daily to see what the ammonia reading is. There is no use to test for anything else. Nitrite and nitrate won't be present until some ammonia has processed. Ammonia will raise your pH so no use to test it either. Once you see a drop in the ammonia, test for nitrite. There should be some present. When the ammonia drops back to about near zero (usually takes about a week), add enough to raise it back to about 3 to 4 ppm and begin testing the nitrite daily.

Every time the ammonia drops back to zero, raise it back up to 3 to 4 ppm and continue to check nitrites. The nitrite reading will go off the chart. Once the ammonia is dropping from around 4 ppm back to zero in 12 hours or less you have sufficient bacteria to handle the ammonia your fish load produces. Continue to add ammonia daily as you must feed the bacteria that have formed or they will begin to die off.

The nitrite spike will generally take about twice as long to drop to zero as did the ammonia spike. The reason for this is two-fold. First, the nitrite processing bacteria just develop slower than those that process ammonia. Second, you are adding more nitrite daily (every time you add ammonia, it is transformed into nitrite raising the level a little more) as opposed to the ammonia, which you only add once at the start and then waited on it to drop to zero. During this time, you should occasionally test for nitrate too. The presence of nitrate means that nitrite is being processed, completing the nitrogen cycle. The nitrate level will also go off the chart but you will take care of that with a large water change later. It will seem like forever before the nitrite finally falls back to zero but eventually, almost overnight, it will drop and you can celebrate.

At this point, your tank will probably look terrible with brown algae everywhere and probably cloudy water. As I mentioned, the nitrate reading will also be off the chart. Nitrates can only be removed with water changes. Do a large water change, 75 to 90 percent, turn the heat down to the level the fish you have decided on will need, and you are ready to add your fish. You can safely add your full fish load as your tank will have enough bacteria built up to handle any waste they can produce.

"Add Daily" Method

I call this the "Add Daily" method because that is what you do. The start is exactly like the other method. To begin, you add enough ammonia to raise the level to 5 or 6 ppm. The difference is that the next day and each day thereafter you add the same amount. This continues until the ammonia drops to zero. This will take much longer than the other method because of the massive amount of ammonia the tank will initially contain. It generally takes about 3 days before any bacteria begin to form and you are able to notice even a small change in the color of your tests. In the other method, on the 3rd day there will still only be about 5 to 6 ppm of ammonia in the tank. With the "Add Daily" method, there will be approximately 15 to 18 ppm on the 3rd day so you need a lot of bacteria to process all of that.

Once the ammonia finally drops back to near zero, cut the amount of ammonia you are adding daily in half. That will still be plenty to keep the bacteria already developed fed. Continue to add the ammonia daily and test for nitrites. Once the nitrite drops back to zero, do your big water change and add your fish.

Advantages & Disadvantages: As I mentioned, the cycling process will take longer using the "Add Daily" method simply because you are forcing the bacteria to process quite a bit more ammonia. The advantage of that method though is that there will be much more bacteria present at the end than in the "Add & Wait" method. If you plan to have a heavy fish load (overstock) or keep messy fish (plecos, goldfish and Oscars for example), this may be the best way for you to go.

If you plan to keep normal tropicals with normal stocking levels as I do, cycling with the "Add & Wait" method should work fine for you. It has worked well for me. Some articles I have read even stated that if the ammonia level ever goes over 6 to 8 ppm that it severely slows the process and is a waste of time and effort.

Summation: As I said to begin, these are only 2 versions of the fishless cycle. There are numerous variations on these methods. One way to speed the cycling process is to "seed" the tank with a bacteria source from an established tank. See if a friend can give you an old filter from one of their tanks or if the local fish store has some gravel, filter media or anything that will provide a bacteria source. Any bacteria source will help.

As a general rule, don't waste your time or money on "bacteria starter" products such as Cycle or Prime. The consensus is that they serve no useful purpose. The fact that they have been shipped on un-refrigerated trucks and stored in hot warehouses leads most to believe that there couldn't possibly be any live bacteria left in the bottles. One possible exception is Bio Spira. I have personally not used this product but most things I have read suggest it works IF it has been handled properly (always refrigerated). Only purchase it from a reputable source that you trust.

Regardless of which method you choose, please, for the sake of your fish, do a fishless cycle. It prevents them from having to go through all the toxins and saves you a LOT of water changes, stress and lost fish. A little patience in the beginning will pay big dividends down the road.

Edit: I said that there was no use to test the pH as it didn't matter but after more reading, I have found that isn't entirely true. The optimal pH range for nitrification is about 7.0 to 8.0. As pH gets lower and closer to 6.0, the nitrification process severely slows. Below 6.0, the bacteria basically go dormant and stop processing ammonia. So in actuallity, you do need to test pH to make sure it isn't too low.

As qouted from: http://www.fishforums.net/Fishless-Cycling-t113861.html
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Old June 1st, 2007  
Fish Master
 
Re: Cycling

Wow, Darkwolf. What a post! Let me get my reading glasses.
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Old June 1st, 2007  
Fish Master
 
Re: Cycling

OK, just read it. Very interesting, that. I like the soud of adding all the fish at once! But then again, what about the deliciously tantalising wait when you have to add 2 fish at a time? Nice work, thanks for the info.
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Old June 1st, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

http://www.fishlore.com/Forum/4-fres...ginners.0.html


Here's another for you. A few good articles in here.

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Old June 1st, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

Was it stickied in the end?
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Old June 1st, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

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Old June 1st, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: Cycling

There are a couple of mistakes in his post. First is the bacterial additives part that mentioned Cycle and Prime. Prime isn't a bacterial additive, it is a water conditioner though it still shouldn't be used in a fishless cycle because it will seem to make it last longer (the bound up ammonia takes longer for the good bacteria to eat so you will get an ammonia reading in your testing longer then you would normally). Secondly, in the "Add Daily" method, you don't start off with 5-6ppm of ammonia (though there are many ways to do anything, this is the normal "Add Daily" method) you put in 5 drops per 10 Gal and then once you get a nitrite reading you only add 3 drops per 10 Gal. The more gradual increase in ammonia levels will be easier for the good bacteria to counter once it really starts to multiply.

As to the OP's question about plants (I'm guessing live plants?) you can add them at any time. However, understand that plants like to eat nitrite and nitrate. The nitrate part won't be a problem and it is actually helpful because it means less water to change at the end of the cycle. The nitrite part might be more of a problem due to that is the food for some of the good bacteria. So this may mess up some of your readings, i.e. you may have 0 nitrite for a while then all of a sudden get a huge spike because the plants were actually absorbing some. So this may make the cycle take longer. However, on the flip side, if you cycle the tank and then add plants, the plants will still eat some of the nitrite and might cause some of the good bacteria to die off due to lack of food which (once you add fish) might lead to a mini-cycle while the tank adjusts. So it's a toss up both ways.
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
Fish Addict
 
Re: Cycling

The add and wait method sounds really good, I like the idea of adding all my fish at the same time. How long, overall, do you think it would take to get the tank completely cycled and ready for all my fish in this way? Does it depend on tank size (mine's 36 UK gallons/43 US gallons)? And would adding gravel and filter media from an established tank speed it up?
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: Cycling

cycling times vary somewhat. i believe fishless cycling (with ammonia) is the fastest way. it would also allow you to go ahead and add all the fish at the same time (once your cycle is finished and a large water change is completed)

i don't think it depends too much on tank size, but rather on the amount of places it has to grow. it being the bacteria

adding filter media from an established tank would help, gravel would also help, but not nearly as much

hope that helped
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
Master Of Fish Poo!
 
Re: Cycling

When your tank is cycled, you may still want to not add all of the fish at once. Doing so could trigger a mini-cycle with the sudden ammonia production.
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Old June 3rd, 2007  
Fish Keeper
 
Re: Cycling

i think you'll be fine assuming you did ammonia fishless cycling. because, if you used ammonia fishless cycling, your bacteria is used to a lot more ammonia than the fish will produce.

the key is to stay below whatever amount of ammonia source (whether that be out of a bottle, fish waste, fish food, or something else). as long as you stay below that level, you'll be fine. being more careful and going slowly won't hurt, but it's also not completely necessary
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Old June 5th, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

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Old June 5th, 2007  
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Re: Cycling

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