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September 13th, 2009
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| Angel disaster!
I have recently had an absolute disaster with my angels. I had 8 quarter size lively, healthy angels in a 55 gallon tank. I then bought a new leopard angel from petco. I kept it by itself for 2 weeks before adding it to the big tank. When I added it the fish was healthy looking and active. Within 2 days all but 2 out of the 9 had died. My water parameters tested great and the only symptom they showed was they got kind of pale, started top breathing and then started swimming upside down. I was told on another forum that most likely the problem was caused by a virus the leopard was carrying but not made sick by. I have taken them out of the 55 and put them in a 20 gallon for now. The 55 has been bleached and will be filled later on this week. I wanted to let it stay completely dry for a few days. I am planning to get some discus but am not sure if they will go in the 55 or a new 75 gallon tank. I do want to start over with the angels though. I was told to keep the surviving ones alone for 6 months or so. If I get more of the same size to put in the big tank, can I put the 2 loners with them after the 6 months? Do I really need to wait 6 months? Can they EVER be added to a new population or is it possible for them to always carry this virus? | 
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September 14th, 2009
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| What virus did they tell you that they had? I've never heard of a virus specifically carried by Angels. | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| Perhaps Singapore Angel Disease? | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| No one ever said what specific virus it was...just "angelfish virus" Idk. Only have 2 left in the 20 gallon and now one of them has stopped eating. My nightmare all over again! Water parameters are great, no signs of illness other than not eating. No redness, no spots, swimming fine... I don't get it! | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| Oh no, I hope they make it.  | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| These are the only 2 I have left. The gold is still doing great. It looks a little bloated in the pic but he just ate and is a little piggy. The black and white (marble?) is the one who isn't eating. I don't see anything outwardly wrong with them when I look. Does anyone else see anything  | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| I'm so sorry!! This really is horrible. I couldn't see anything but I would make sure you get other people to look as well.
I wish I had more advise to give you!! | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| oh no im also sorry for the losses!!
that sounds allot like this thread a year or so ago Angelfish Only Disease?
pretty similar name too..is it the same ? and is it happeneing again?
ive also never heard of an angel virus on the leopards ...
do you have your readings for ammonia/nitrites/nitrates right now? could be a mini cycle going on .... | |
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September 14th, 2009
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| Hello Critter. So hate to hear about your Angel losses. With all of your water chemistry readings being great it sounds like you got a bad group to begin with. I'm not familiar with the Angel Virus other people have mentioned to you from other sites. I'm pretty sure we have some Angel breeders as members so hopefully they can shed more light on the subject.
Great photos and beautiful Angels. I hope they are going to be alright.
Please keep us posted.
Ken | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| Yesterday the striped one that wasn't eating died  The gold one is still doing great though, eating like a piggy and being very active so I think it might be ok. I have him in his own tank for the next few months before mixing him with any other angels and am heading to the one good LFS in my area to restock. I have bought from them before and never had any troubles with their fish until this last one from petco was put in their tank..WON't buy from petco anymore thats for sure! | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| Quote:
Originally Posted by critter_fritter79  Yesterday the striped one that wasn't eating died The gold one is still doing great though, eating like a piggy and being very active so I think it might be ok. I have him in his own tank for the next few months before mixing him with any other angels and am heading to the one good lfs in my area to restock. I have bought from them before and never had any troubles with their fish until this last one from petco was put in their tank..WON't buy from petco anymore thats for sure! | is this your thread also ? Angelfish Only Disease? | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| nope I just joined a few days ago...ama newbie! I am beginning to think it might have been an internal parasite the parasite treatment I used didn't take care of. Not really sure though so I have the survivor in his own tank where I will be keeping him for at least 6-8 weeks. Should it be ok to put angels in the old tank once it is cleaned?? Is there anything I can add to kill any lingering bacteria or parasites that might be there or after a week should they be gone? I did just look at that old post though and that is freaky!! I have never come across anyone with almost the same nickname as me!lol
Last edited by critter_fritter79; September 16th, 2009 at 02:13 PM.
Reason: new stuff | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| I wouldnt say its a virus yet...do you know the tank parimeters or did you test at the time to make sure you didnt have a mini cycle ? other thank being "ok" what were the readings? what test kit are you using? the signs that you described in the op sound more of an ammonia issue where it was so fast and no signs on the body of any infections or disease... | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| That could be too, I was using the 5 in 1 strip and an ammonia strip before. The readings were no ammonia, no nitrites and 20 PPM nitrates. But I have read on here several times that the strips are not reliable so I plan on getting the liquid test instead, just to be sure. | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| HOLY COW!! I finally found out what happened to my angels...better (well maybe worse) half just fessed up. I was going crazy trying to find out what I needed to get to make sure there wasn't anything in my tank that might kill newbie's when I get some and I guess he felt bad. A few weeks before the dying started, I had seen some TINY white worms in the gravel when I was vacing the tank. I was told they wouldn't hurt the angels but when the time came for eggs they WOULD hurt those. While out with a friend a few days after finding them, I got some hada snail that I was told should take care of them(along with lowering the amt. of food at a time). When I got home I put it in and didn't notice any probs for over a week. Problem is I didn't tell him what I had done, mainly cause he really doesn't have anything to do with my hobby. Then the dying started. Apparently he thought I hadn't done anything about them and he took some advise from an idiot friend who told him to put 1/2 teaspoon of bleach per gallon to kill the worms. My poor babies!! I never even considered chlorine poisoning cause we have well water with NO chlorine. Now he has a life-time ban from my fish! Told him I appreciate the thought but always tell me before you do anything with my tanks. Other than the chlorine in the bleach, is there anything else a 100% water change won't get rid of? | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| Sorry to hear about your angels. You said your friend poured some bleach into the tank
wow... the WC's will help, but the bleach probably killed your cycle, so you would have to start over. I would rinse your aquarium's deco/filter/ everything with warm water. Rinse untill the tank doesnt smell like bleach. | |
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September 16th, 2009
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|  Bleach!!!! Ok this is for your friend that added it  and then   Friend didn't know any better, I assume. I am SO sorry about loosing your Angels!  You can get some de-chlorinator to add too after you change the water. Do you still have NitrAtes?
Planaria don't hurt your fish. In fact your fish enjoy them! All it takes is don't overfeed and do weekly gravel vac and then you wont have problems with them.
Last edited by AlyeskaGirl; September 16th, 2009 at 06:23 PM.
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September 16th, 2009
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| will definately get the tank, deco and gravel rinsed out. I have 2 filters going in my 75 gallon tank. Can I take the bio sponges out of one of them to get the cycle going in the 55 gallon again?? Or should I just wait it out? Btw... he says he is so so SO sorry and he is my water change slave for life! I guess I will see about that. Not to mention I am not sure I am going to leave him unsupervised around any of my tanks for a while...lol | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| Are your NitrAtes at zero? | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| Yes you can use some stuff ffrom the 75 for the 55. Transfer some gravel and soome filter media to get things going. Good Luck!
Also, when you are rinsing the tank, use some dechlorinator like said above, it should help | |
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September 16th, 2009
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| I would be very careful about using media from the 75 gal..you have some big kids in there (oscars) ..but you can use some gravel or decorations to help start the 55...if you remove any of your media, make sure its a small amount...you have removed 2 of the oscars so sparing a small amount might be ok ....id hate for you to put the 75 gal into a mini cycle ...good luck tho ! and congrats on having a water change slave...(i so need one of those!) | |
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September 20th, 2009
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| Got everything rinsed out and got the API liquid test kit. I really like it! Took 1 of the 4 bio sponges out of the 75 and put it into the 55. i also took a new knee high stocking with a few scoops of gravel out of the 75 and hung it in the 55 too. Added prime for 2 days and some of the plants out of the big tank that the oscars didn't like and according to the liquid test all is well. Ammonia and nitrites are 0, nitrates are just under 20. Tested 2 days in a row with no variation. I added the pleco from the oscar tank the eveing of the 18th since the oscars had started picking on him too. That is one happy pleco! Tested again this afternoon and the readings are still the same. Seems good! | |
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September 20th, 2009
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| It is a good thing everything is going well. I hope nothing else beside good things happens to your fish. What does the API test kit test for? | |
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September 20th, 2009
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| seperate chemicals to test for ammonia, nitrates, nitrites and pH. I have been told that it is much more accurate that the strips so i decided to spend the extra for a better test. | |
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September 20th, 2009
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| Yes, it is much more accurate than the strips. Good luck with your fish, I am sure it will live.  Sorry about your disaster, I hope someone doesn't say ammonia is good for fish next time.
Last edited by Time; September 20th, 2009 at 08:33 PM.
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September 21st, 2009
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| Oh my GOD somebody do some like that to my tanks I don't know what I would do. Hope everything keeps going well. Good Luck. | |
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