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February 2nd, 2009
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| Angelfish Fight Help!
Hey, I have 4 angelfish but 2 of them are 3 inches and 2 are about the size of a nickel. when i put them in the tank the bigger ones immediately attacked the little ones so i had to seperate them they are all in the same tank but i made a small container which is attached to the tank wall and i put the 2 nickel sized angelfish in there for now. The bigger ones still try to attack the smaller ones even when they are seperated by the small tank attached to the tank wall. I was wondering when the nickel sized angelfish get bigger will they be able to live along side with the bigger angelfish?
P.S. I dont think the bigger ones are a pair becuase they haven't laid any eggs so i dont think that could be the problem. I was thinking about waiting until the nickel sized ones get bigger to put them in the same tank. 
Please Help Thank You!
Last edited by NUMB3RS; February 5th, 2009 at 04:38 PM.
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February 2nd, 2009
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| Your 2 bigger Angelfish may have formed a pair, and if so they won't want other Angelfish in their territory. How big is the tank? | |
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February 2nd, 2009
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Originally Posted by Nick Goody  Your 2 bigger Angelfish may have formed a pair, and if so they won't want other Angelfish in their territory. How big is the tank? | My tank is a 30 gallon planted with some smaller tetras. I dont think that they have paired off because the 2 bigger ones snip at each other too... thanks for replying quickly! | |
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February 2nd, 2009
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Originally Posted by NUMB3RS Hey, I have 4 angelfish but 2 of the are 3 inches and 2 are about the size of a nickel. when i put them in the tank the bigger ones immediately attacked the little ones so i had to seperate them they are all in the same tank but i made a small container which is attached to the tank wall and i put the 2 nickel sized angelfish in there for now. The bigger ones still try to attack the smaller ones even when they are seperated by the small tank attached to the tank wall. I was wondering when the nickel sized angelfish get bigger will they be able to live along side with the bigger angelfish? | I wouldn't count on it.
You might have some luck if you remove the larger angels, rearrange the decor, and reintroduce the larger angels... but this will likely only work if the two larger angels haven't paired off, as Nick Goody suggested. | |
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February 2nd, 2009
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| This is sort of off topic, but when I went out to my LFS two weeks ago they got new fish in, including Angels and I was lookin at them and asked what kind they were cause the dorsal fins were shorter! She said no, that they were snipped off to reduce aggression! I'm like oh, interesting.  And she has done it and it actually works I guess. I am not saying for you to snip the bigger Angel's dorsal fins. I wouldn't!!
Last edited by AlyeskaGirl; February 5th, 2009 at 07:37 PM.
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February 2nd, 2009
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| Moving to the freshwater angelfish board. Please make threads in the most appropriate boards.
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Mike | |
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February 2nd, 2009
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| I merged your threads. Please stick to one thread per question.
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February 2nd, 2009
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| i'm afraid i don't think that you're going to have any luck with them 
your angels have either formed a pair or have temporarily forged an alliance. they're bigger, and they won't mix with the new ones who are too small to stand up to them.
the only way to cut down aggression with angels is to get six juvies of the same shape/size/type/etc and let them pair off and establish themselves together when no one is big enough to be the bully. even then, you'd probably have to remove the four that didn't end up pairing off | |
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February 3rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by AlyeskaGirl This is sort of off topic, but when I went out to my LFS two weeks ago they got new fish in, including Angels and I was lookin at them and asked what kind they were cause the dorsal fins were shorter! She said no, that they were snipped off to reduce aggression! I'm like oh, interesting. And she has done it and it actually works I guess. I am not saying for you to snip the bigger Angel's dorsal fins. I wouldn't!! | I would think simply being honest with yourself and realizing that maybe you just shouldn't have that many angels would be a better route than mutilating them, but to each their own. Quote:
Originally Posted by agabr123 the only way to cut down aggression with angels is to get six juvies of the same shape/size/type/etc and let them pair off and establish themselves together when no one is big enough to be the bully. even then, you'd probably have to remove the four that didn't end up pairing off | In a 30g, you'd almost certainly have to remove the others.
I did this in my 90g, and the pair that formed claimed an area of about a foot or so in diameter that was theirs, and any other angels who came near would get chased away... and occasionally they expanded that area to about 75% of the tank, usually when they were about to lay eggs, and only allowed the others to have a foot or so of swimming space at the other end of the tank.
Last edited by mathas; February 5th, 2009 at 08:14 PM.
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February 3rd, 2009
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Originally Posted by mathas In a 30g, you'd almost certainly have to remove the others.
I did this in my 90g, and the pair that formed claimed an area of about a foot or so in diameter that was theirs, and any other angels who came near would get chased away... and occasionally they expanded that area to about 75% of the tank, usually when they were about to lay eggs, and only allowed the others to have a foot or so of swimming space at the other end of the tank. | yeah, definitely. lol, i didnt mean that he should go get more little angels, but that that was probably the only way to let more than two live in peace. even then, i agree, he'd need a much bigger tank | |
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February 5th, 2009
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| I still need a solution for the problem... | |
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February 5th, 2009
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| 4 angels in a 30 gal is the issue 2 is appropriate and nipping is normal for a mating pair....but severe damage is not....id return the 2 that are totally not getting alone ..the first pic looks like a male..do you have pics of all of them? | |
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February 5th, 2009
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Originally Posted by mathas I wouldn't count on it.
You might have some luck if you remove the larger angels, rearrange the decor, and reintroduce the larger angels... but this will likely only work if the two larger angels haven't paired off, as Nick Goody suggested. | Have you tried what Mathas suggested Numb3rs? His suggestion of removing the larger angels and rearranging is good advice. It will break up any territories the various fish have claimed and they will all start from scratch. If a pair has been formed with the 2 big angels splitting them up for long enough might unbond them. If these things don't work your probably out of options in your current setup. | |
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February 5th, 2009
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| No i havent but i was going to... | |
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February 6th, 2009
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| Something I should have specified in my earlier post and did not was that rearranging the decor and reintroducing the angels, if it works at all, would at best be a short-term measure that might prevent the fighting for now.
Long-term, Shawnie is absolutely correct: 30 gallons likely isn't enough for 4 adult angels | |
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February 6th, 2009
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| The best thing you can do for your fish is to either get more tanks or find homes for the ones that aren't getting along. I have 2 angels that didn't get along in a 29 gallon with just them, some otos and corys. I got another tank just because I didn't like the thought of having to give one up. You might be able to keep 2 in your tank if they are a pair but have a backup plan. If there are to many fish in with the pair they get stressed and fight also. | |
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February 6th, 2009
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| I'll try to find something to do but any suggestions are still welcome! | |
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