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Old November 20th, 2009  
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Hello Kacie and congrats on the new additions. You have some beautiful fish there! Thanks for sharing and keeping us updated!
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Old November 20th, 2009  
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The new pics are great Kacie. Even at that size they are showing good color!

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Old November 20th, 2009  
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I was very excited when I saw the blue in the fins. Even the smallest one has blue fins. Loving these cuties.
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Old November 20th, 2009  
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so I was thinking, and I think you should send them here and let me look after them.....
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Old November 20th, 2009  
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You sure you can't find them in Canada?
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Old November 20th, 2009  
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Just giving you a hard time.

I know of a few people up here who have them......just waiting for them to spawn them.

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Old December 11th, 2009  
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An update they are doing great but now the temp is 60f in the tank... They are still very active and beg for food. I've been feeding them as much as they'll eat three times a day but they shouldn't be eating that much in such a cold tank should they? I've also seen some glancing...but besides that they are greedy little piggies, exploring the tank and trying to steal food from the 4 inch gymnos... Just hope the tank doesn't get any colder and that they are okay at that temp.
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Old December 11th, 2009  
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Why don't you just get an adjustable heater & set it at a low setting? That way it at least takes the chill off the water. 60* is very cold...
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Old December 11th, 2009  
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Do you know what brand would do that? Could i just look for an adjustable heater?
Also 60 is what I was shooting for temp wise for my Gymnos.
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Old December 12th, 2009  
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65 is very cold...are you sure they can handle it that low? cooler temps make fish slow down anyhow as their metabolism slows down..what are your tank parimeters? did you test the pH in the bag of water they came in to compare to your tank? they are cute lil things
I agree with you Shawnie. Perhaps you can change the temperature from 65șC to 84șC? But do it slowly because if you change it very fast, they will get very stressed.

Good luck!
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Old December 13th, 2009  
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According to this http://www.cichlidae.com/article.php?id=371, their optimal temp is around 74 degrees F.

"In 1894 Dr. Ludwig Slaby wrote, "The chanchito should be kept in water at from 10 to 20 degrees Reaumur (50 to 68 degrees F)[...]. This being said, the chanchito was clearly as hardy as were the people of the 1800's, but as we all live a more 'comfortable' (and longer) life in this, the 21st century, please bear in mind that it would be most beneficial to maintain your chanchitos in a practical range of 22 to 26 degrees C (72 to 78 degrees F), with a raise in temperature of 28 to 29 degrees C (82 to 84 degrees F) for breeding purposes."

It seems that low temps is outdated information; though they can survive it. Amazing fish.

Many heaters come with adjuster knobs; just check the heater before you purchase it. I can't recall the brand of mine, but I got them at PetsMart.
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Old December 13th, 2009  
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According to this http://www.cichlidae.com/article.php?id=371, their optimal temp is around 74 degrees F.

"In 1894 Dr. Ludwig Slaby wrote, "The chanchito should be kept in water at from 10 to 20 degrees Reaumur (50 to 68 degrees F)[...]. This being said, the chanchito was clearly as hardy as were the people of the 1800's, but as we all live a more 'comfortable' (and longer) life in this, the 21st century, please bear in mind that it would be most beneficial to maintain your chanchitos in a practical range of 22 to 26 degrees C (72 to 78 degrees F), with a raise in temperature of 28 to 29 degrees C (82 to 84 degrees F) for breeding purposes."

It seems that low temps is outdated information; though they can survive it. Amazing fish.

Many heaters come with adjuster knobs; just check the heater before you purchase it. I can't recall the brand of mine, but I got them at PetsMart.

That is a decent article of the "chanchitos", I have read it a few times. But the low temps really isn't outdated info, these fish come from southern South America, where it is cold. Yes you can keep them around 75*degrees forever and they will not wither away like Gymno's, but you will never bring out their color fully and some think they may not live as long as possible. Also they where they originally come from, they may go through temps swings of 20*C daily during times of the year.

Like said you CAN keep them at high temps, but I would read through as many forums as possible(which is where you will find most of your info, although lots can be found if you dig although most of it is scientific papers) and read what people who have kept them successfully for years)(which in most cases 3-5 is long term for most with these fish) have said, and also learn what many have found out the hard way with keeping them at high temps for long periods of time.

95% of what scientific papers, including the one here, when talking about where these fish are found is actually very cold water, in temrs of what we think of when keeping fish at home. (Yes we have come to enjoy heat in our lives and some
other things we find important, as we have changed and the whole hardy part and being comfortable, where these fish come from has not changed, they are not now found in the warm waters of Mexico)..... most of these fish you come across(chanchitos, australoheros, gymnos species) are not far removed from where they are found, they just havent been around the hobby long enough. Email the people who are collecting these fish and ask
what type of water they are finding them in. Just my thoughts.




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An update they are doing great but now the temp is 60f in the tank... They are still very active and beg for food. I've been feeding them as much as they'll eat three times a day but they shouldn't be eating that much in such a cold tank should they? I've also seen some glancing...but besides that they are greedy little piggies, exploring the tank and trying to steal food from the 4 inch gymnos... Just hope the tank doesn't get any colder and that they are okay at that temp.
No they shouldn't be eating as often, which is why I mentioned possibly skipping the cool down with the fry. You should probably be feeding the gymno's 3x's a week in 60* water at most.


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Old December 13th, 2009  
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Brian so you think these little guys won't mind a massive swing of temp to my tropical tank? I didn't move them because they are acting energetic and hungry. I'm not feeding the Gymnos their pellets everyday anymore but the Chacitos are such beggars and seem to have grown since I got them. I will move them tomorrow if it does more good than harm.
Thanks everyone for all their thoughts and research.
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Old December 14th, 2009  
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I wouldn't just take them out of that tank and throw them into one that is say 78 degrees no.

Do you have another tank or bin of some sort you can warm them up a bit slower in.

Or another option is warm the tank they are in now say to 74*F over 2 days or so. This will help you in two ways, one it will warm the fry to a temp so you can put them in a warmer temp tank. And the second it may trigger a spawn from your Gymno's. Either way you would get the fry out, and if nothing happens with the Gymno's give it 3 weeks or so and then just take the heater out again. You would still be able to cool them for 2 months or so.

It is great they are eating but I just wouldn't feed them so much in that cold of water. My Gymno's too are very active when I come to feed them during the cool down, but I only do it 2-3 a week.

Or you could leave them as is. But if you do I would just look at feeding less which will slow down the growth of the fry so.... its up to you on which to do. But 60* to 78* all at once on fry probably wouldn't work out to good.


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Old December 14th, 2009  
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Thanks Brian. Good idea to slowly warm the tank then move them. I'll try not to feed them so often meanwhile.
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